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==Knowledgable Users==
==Knowledgable Users==
*[[User:Rocco is a gamer|Rocco is a gamer]] (Only MCU Daredevil)
*[[User:Banandrakk|Banandrakk]]
*[[User:GiverOfThePeace|GiverOfThePeace]] (Decent amount of knowledge)
*[[User:TaserLad|Taser Lad]]
*[[User:TaserLad|Taser Lad]]
==Regarding Consistency==


==Power of the Verse==
==Power of the Verse==
'''Disclaimer: We haven't discussed how powerful the Heralds are so I will only write about the Street Tier heroes because their stats have been agreed with by staff.'''
'''Disclaimer: We haven't discussed how powerful the Heralds and Skyfathers are so I will only write about the Street Tier heroes because their stats have been agreed by the staff.'''


The Marvel Universe is vast verse with a lot of characters with different levels of power.
The Marvel Universe is vast verse with a lot of characters with different levels of power.
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'''WIP!'''
'''WIP!'''
===Regarding Consistency:===
Much like their competitors, There are quite a few Inconsistencies which is to be expected due to how many writers have worked in Marvel. However this makes power scaling a lot trickier since there are instances of much weaker characters going toe-to-toe with other characters who should reasonably stomp them. This even applies to the cosmology since there are multiple instances of the universe being infinite in size but then there are other statements saying that the universe does in fact have an edge and is 1 trillion lightyears.
To combat this a lot of these inconsistency issues will be solved by which case has more evidence. For example while Spider-Man was not able to break titanium handcuffs this shouldn't discredit the multiple feats he has that go well above and beyond Wall level. This can be taken from the other side as well, using Spider-Man as an example, Spider-Man may have fought Silver Surfer once there is a lot more evidence for him being significantly weaker than the Surfer. In this case the scaling will be deemed unreliable.
===Elaboration of Scaling:===
'''How can Street Tiers be City District level if they can be harmed by Bullets?'''
This is a very relevant question to ask. All of the Street Tiers have been shot before and it has pierced their bodies so how can they survive such powerful explosives. This is mainly due to their bodies not being [[Bulletproof]], while in reality someone of a higher tier should take no damage from a bullet, in fiction one essentially needs to be bulletproof in order to not get pierced by bullets. You could make the exact same argument for Wonder Woman who has been shown to be [https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3a5b3ff3777ee9ef3e4a36ca86aa5555-pjlq hurt] [https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a6d4f39ad9f5bca756079e0e66bc9303-lq by] [https://screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Wonder-Woman-Shot-Justice-League-Comic.jpg bullets to a near lethal level]. However this doesn't undervalue her surviving punches from characters like Superman. The same sort of logic applies to the Street Tier characters.
'''Fighting Hulk and Thor:'''
Fighting against Thor and Hulk has been used as an argument by many to scale characters like Spider-Man to Heralds. However there are multiple things wrong with this notion. For one Hulk's strength is heavily dependent on how angry he is so saying that in every single fight he gets into he is at the peak of his power is absolutely ridiculous. Especially since it is very consistent that Banner controls Hulk to hold back his strength so he does not kill people.
*[https://imgur.com/a/SXO1w Can easily kill Abomination as soon as he stops holding back].
*[https://i.imgur.com/jJiDnGZ.png Banner] [https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcRKBjWyDPDqR3EbzGm53imMtX4kXD_mwcGLr678LKVdkHLv63jk&usqp=CAU controls the power of the Hulk].
**[https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/5/5e/IH138-1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20220713064603 Seemingly controls Hulk to not fight in a building].
*[https://imgur.com/a/IxMf54a Holds back against Deadpool].
*[https://imgur.com/a/iEgpg Amadeus Cho states that Hulk only chooses to grievously harm an opponent under certain circumstances].
This a very similar circumstance for Thor as well since like Hulk he very consistently holds back his might as to not kill his opponents.
*[https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQusRGoYHiQAMOyS06hV1tlwgLBlyG7ohcUkbeTRDNABaubYr92&usqp=CAU Stated by Captain America to barely use a third of his strength].
*[https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcRXVZk0GKphFFVsyZ9y9nzhpN-RFTgekGO-PJHsRZP_B11WJNGD&usqp=CAU Says that he held back his strength].
*[https://imgur.com/a/6r8OZot Backed up by how he won't kill anybody].
**[https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcRn5sG4mq3JxKwJHH8RbDaNNsVCUBwl_DsLrplgWeDq9UKKLwcJ&usqp=CAU States to hold back so that he doesn't kill mortals].
*[https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcRAknrdjMnNyrfRIX5FIYeDE1qee6jRx_jTH4Pt2gRndhaEMKms&usqp=CAU Thor had forgotten the true strength of Mjolnir. This implies that Thor holds back very regularly in his battles].
So essentially it has to be proven that Thor or Hulk were bloodlusted or going all out for a character to fully scale to them and other Heralds.
'''Street Tiers are usually portrayed as Bullet Timers so how can they be FTL?'''
This is an easy one to discuss. While yes most of the time the Street Tiers are usually portrayed as Bullet Timers by their authors it again shouldn't diminish the multiple feats of dodging lasers or projectiles of very similar speed. The fact as well that many of the characters have also dodged lightning attacks such as Punisher and Nightcrawler it makes the idea that they are exclusively bullet-timers somewhat ridiculous.


==Calculations==
==Calculations==
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|-|Earth-616 (Mainline Universe)=
|-|Earth-616 (Mainline Universe)=
'''Attack Potency/Durability:'''
'''Attack Potency/Durability:'''
*[https://thecodex.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:The_Irish_VS_Writer/Marvel_Comics:_Moon_Knight_Superhero_Landing Moon Knight deforms a car] (Wall Level - 1207256 Joules)
*[https://thecodex.wiki/User:The_Irish_VS_Writer/Marvel_Comics:_Moon_Knight_Superhero_Landing Moon Knight deforms a car] (Wall Level - 1207256 Joules)
*[https://thecodex.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:The_Irish_VS_Writer/Marvel_Comics:_Deadpool_carries_MCB_Street_Tiers Deadpool saves the Hoover Dam] (Large Building - 4.197 Tons of TNT]
*[https://thecodex.wiki/User:The_Irish_VS_Writer/Marvel_Comics:_Deadpool_carries_MCB_Street_Tiers Deadpool saves the Hoover Dam] (Large Building - 4.197 Tons of TNT]
*[https://thecodex.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:The_Irish_VS_Writer/Marvel_Comics:_Deadpool_survives_an_explosion...shocking Deadpool survives an explosion in the Empire State Building] (City Block - 10.789 Tons of TNT)
*[https://thecodex.wiki/User:The_Irish_VS_Writer/Marvel_Comics:_Deadpool_survives_an_explosion...shocking Deadpool survives an explosion in the Empire State Building] (City Block - 10.789 Tons of TNT)
*[https://thecodex.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Taser_Lad/Marvel_Comics:_Defenders_Big_Boom The Defenders tank a blast] (City Block - 19.06 Tons of TNT)
*[https://thecodex.wiki/User:Taser_Lad/Marvel_Comics:_Defenders_Big_Boom The Defenders tank a blast] (City Block - 19.06 Tons of TNT)
*[https://thecodex.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Taser_Lad/Marvel_Comics:_Bullseye_survives_massive_explosion Bullseye tanks Moon Knight's Bomb] (City Block - 35.48 Tons of TNT)
*[https://thecodex.wiki/User:Taser_Lad/Marvel_Comics:_Bullseye_survives_massive_explosion Bullseye tanks Moon Knight's Bomb] (City Block - 35.48 Tons of TNT)
*[https://thecodex.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Taser_Lad/Marvel_Comics:_Wolverine_has_a_Looney_Tunes_moment Wolverine survives being sent from New York to Georgia in a minute] (Multi-City Block - 113.872 Tons of TNT)
*[https://thecodex.wiki/User:Taser_Lad/Marvel_Comics:_Wolverine_has_a_Looney_Tunes_moment Wolverine survives being sent from New York to Georgia in a minute] (Multi-City Block - 113.872 Tons of TNT)
*[https://thecodex.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:The_Irish_VS_Writer/Marvel_Comics:_Deadpool_is_blasting_off_again! Deadpool is sent flying across the country] (Multi-City Block - 193.338 Tons of TNT)
*[https://thecodex.wiki/User:The_Irish_VS_Writer/Marvel_Comics:_Deadpool_is_blasting_off_again! Deadpool is sent flying across the country] (Multi-City Block - 193.338 Tons of TNT)
*[https://thecodex.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:The_Irish_VS_Writer/Marvel_Comics:_Doctor_Doom_causes_Energy_Crisis Doctor Doom's Electrical Defences] (Town - 86.04 Kilotons)
*[https://thecodex.wiki/User:The_Irish_VS_Writer/Marvel_Comics:_Doctor_Doom_causes_Energy_Crisis Doctor Doom's Electrical Defences] (Town - 86.04 Kilotons)
*[https://thecodex.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Taser_Lad/Marvel_Comics:_Grey_Hulk_destroys_an_Asteroid Grey Hulk destroys an Asteroid] (Large Planet - 2.431 Ninatons)
*[https://thecodex.wiki/User:Taser_Lad/Marvel_Comics:_Grey_Hulk_destroys_an_Asteroid Grey Hulk destroys an Asteroid] (Large Planet - 2.431 Ninatons)
'''Speed:'''
'''Speed:'''
*[https://thecodex.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Taser_Lad/Marvel_Comics:_Spider-Man_dodges_Lightning Spider-Man dodges Electro's Lightning] (Massively Hypersonic - 16,101)
*[https://thecodex.wiki/User:Taser_Lad/Marvel_Comics:_Spider-Man_dodges_Lightning Spider-Man dodges Electro's Lightning] (Massively Hypersonic - 16,101)
*[https://thecodex.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:The_Irish_VS_Writer/Marvel_Comics:_Spider-Man_dodges_Lasers Spider-Man dodges Lasers] (Relatavistic - Mach 542,825)
*[https://thecodex.wiki/User:The_Irish_VS_Writer/Marvel_Comics:_Spider-Man_dodges_Lasers Spider-Man dodges Lasers] (Relatavistic - Mach 542,825)
'''Lifting Strength:'''
'''Lifting Strength:'''
|-|Earth-199999 (MCU)=
|-|Earth-199999 (MCU)=
'''Attack Potency/Durability:'''
'''Attack Potency/Durability:'''
*[https://thecodex.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Idk556570/Calc_Ports#Luke_Cage_Tanks_An_RPG Luke Cage tanks an RPG] (Room - 0.00397 Tons of TNT)
 
'''Speed:'''
'''Speed:'''
'''Lifting Strength:'''
'''Lifting Strength:'''
*[https://thecodex.wiki/User:Rocco_is_a_gamer/Calc_Ports#Luke_Cage_stops_a_car Luke Cage stops a car] ('''Class 10''' - 6658.24 kg)
|-|Earth-1610 (Ultimate Universe)=
|-|Earth-1610 (Ultimate Universe)=
'''Attack Potency/Durability:'''
'''Attack Potency/Durability:'''
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===Earth-616 (Mainline Universe)===
===Earth-616 (Mainline Universe)===
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File:Screenshot 2023-01-17 at 20.44.18.png|Captain America|link=Captain America (Earth-616)
File:Screenshot 2023-02-08 at 19.26.39.png|Captain America|link=Captain America (Earth-616)
File:Screenshot 2023-01-17 at 20.40.16.png|Magneto|link=Magneto (Earth-616)
File:Screenshot 2023-02-08 at 19.27.04.png|Magneto|link=Magneto (Earth-616)
File:Screenshot 2023-01-17 at 20.34.18.png|Moon Knight|link=Moon Knight (Earth-616)
File:Screenshot 2023-02-08 at 19.31.31.png|Moon Knight|link=Moon Knight (Earth-616)
</gallery>
</gallery>
===Earth-199999 (MCU)===
===Earth-199999 (MCU)===
<gallery columns="dynamic" captionposition="within" widths="140" bordercolor="#A10101" spacing="small" orientation="portrait" navigation="true" hideaddbuttom="true">
<gallery columns="dynamic" captionposition="within" widths="140" bordercolor="#A10101" spacing="small" orientation="portrait" navigation="true" hideaddbuttom="true">
File:Poindexter.webp|Benjamin Poindexter (MCU)|link=Benjamin Poindexter (Earth-199999)
File:Poindexter.webp|Benjamin Poindexter (MCU)|link=Benjamin Poindexter (Earth-199999)
File:Mcu dd.webp|Daredevil (MCU)|link=Daredevil (Earth-199999)
File:Dd mcu2.webp|Daredevil (MCU)|link=Daredevil (Earth-199999)
File:Elektra mcu.webp|Elektra Natchios (MCU)|link=Elektra Natchios (Earth-199999)
File:Elektra mcu.webp|Elektra Natchios (MCU)|link=Elektra Natchios (Earth-199999)
File:Leap frog.webp|Leapfrog (MCU)|link=Leapfrog (Earth-199999)
File:Mcu fisk.webp|Kingpin (MCU)|link=Kingpin (Earth-199999)
File:Mcu fisk.webp|Kingpin (MCU)|link=Kingpin (Earth-199999)
File:Melvin mcu.webp|Melvin Potter (MCU)|link=Melvin Potter (Earth-199999)
File:Melvin mcu.webp|Melvin Potter (MCU)|link=Melvin Potter (Earth-199999)
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File:Stick mcu.webp|Stick (MCU)|link=Stick (Earth-199999)
File:Stick mcu.webp|Stick (MCU)|link=Stick (Earth-199999)
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===[https://thecodex.fandom.com/wiki/Raimi_Spider-Man_Trilogy Earth-96283 (Raimi Spider-Man Trilogy)]===
===[https://thecodex.wiki/Raimi_Spider-Man_Trilogy Earth-96283 (Raimi Spider-Man Trilogy)]===
===Earth-1610 (Ultimate Universe)===
===Earth-1610 (Ultimate Universe)===
===Other Continuities===
===Other Continuities===
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This article or section will be subject to revision in the near future. The current statistics or information does not fully reflect our views.

Background

Marvel Comics is a comics publishing company and one of the "big two" when it comes to Superhero comic books, alongside their competitor DC Comics. Founded in 1939 it was originally known as Timely Comics and created Superheroes such as The Original Human Torch, Namor and Captain America.

However it was only in the 1960s thanks to the creative renaissance from creators Jack Kirby, Stan Lee and Steve Ditko. During this decade they created some of the most famous fictional characters of all time such as Spider-Man, Iron Man, Thor, The X-Men, The Fantastic Four, The Hulk and many more. This was when they changed their name to what we know now.

This period of time completely revolutionised the Superhero genre. Before this Superheroes weren't written to have much depth however Lee, Kirby and Ditko made their heroes as human as possible. As Lee liked to describe it "They had feet made out of clay" and paved the way for the humanisation of superheroes that we see nowadays. Marvel also tackled social issues such as prejudice and oppression in The X-Men and created the first black superhero, Black Panther.

Marvel is such a massive multiverse that their are thousands of variants of the superheroes, such as the Ultimate Universe that was created in the early 2000s. Because of how popular of an IP Marvel is, there have been multiple adaptations such as video games, books, television series' and many other forms of media. Most famously is the Marvel Cinematic Universe which is one of the highest grossing film franchises of all time.

Knowledgable Users

Power of the Verse

Disclaimer: We haven't discussed how powerful the Heralds and Skyfathers are so I will only write about the Street Tier heroes because their stats have been agreed by the staff.

The Marvel Universe is vast verse with a lot of characters with different levels of power.

The 'weaker' characters of the verse are mainly known as "Street Tiers' because they more commonly deal with lower-level crime which would effect their local area rather than a planetary threat. In terms of Attack Potency these characters have many feats and scaling that makes 8-A believable. They also have a similar number of feats that they all basically scale to which puts them at FTL in reaction speeds. Note that doesn't account for their travel speed which can majorly depend.

WIP!

Regarding Consistency:

Much like their competitors, There are quite a few Inconsistencies which is to be expected due to how many writers have worked in Marvel. However this makes power scaling a lot trickier since there are instances of much weaker characters going toe-to-toe with other characters who should reasonably stomp them. This even applies to the cosmology since there are multiple instances of the universe being infinite in size but then there are other statements saying that the universe does in fact have an edge and is 1 trillion lightyears.

To combat this a lot of these inconsistency issues will be solved by which case has more evidence. For example while Spider-Man was not able to break titanium handcuffs this shouldn't discredit the multiple feats he has that go well above and beyond Wall level. This can be taken from the other side as well, using Spider-Man as an example, Spider-Man may have fought Silver Surfer once there is a lot more evidence for him being significantly weaker than the Surfer. In this case the scaling will be deemed unreliable.

Elaboration of Scaling:

How can Street Tiers be City District level if they can be harmed by Bullets?

This is a very relevant question to ask. All of the Street Tiers have been shot before and it has pierced their bodies so how can they survive such powerful explosives. This is mainly due to their bodies not being Bulletproof, while in reality someone of a higher tier should take no damage from a bullet, in fiction one essentially needs to be bulletproof in order to not get pierced by bullets. You could make the exact same argument for Wonder Woman who has been shown to be hurt by bullets to a near lethal level. However this doesn't undervalue her surviving punches from characters like Superman. The same sort of logic applies to the Street Tier characters.

Fighting Hulk and Thor:

Fighting against Thor and Hulk has been used as an argument by many to scale characters like Spider-Man to Heralds. However there are multiple things wrong with this notion. For one Hulk's strength is heavily dependent on how angry he is so saying that in every single fight he gets into he is at the peak of his power is absolutely ridiculous. Especially since it is very consistent that Banner controls Hulk to hold back his strength so he does not kill people.

This a very similar circumstance for Thor as well since like Hulk he very consistently holds back his might as to not kill his opponents.

So essentially it has to be proven that Thor or Hulk were bloodlusted or going all out for a character to fully scale to them and other Heralds.

Street Tiers are usually portrayed as Bullet Timers so how can they be FTL?

This is an easy one to discuss. While yes most of the time the Street Tiers are usually portrayed as Bullet Timers by their authors it again shouldn't diminish the multiple feats of dodging lasers or projectiles of very similar speed. The fact as well that many of the characters have also dodged lightning attacks such as Punisher and Nightcrawler it makes the idea that they are exclusively bullet-timers somewhat ridiculous.

Calculations

Attack Potency/Durability:

Speed:

Lifting Strength:

Attack Potency/Durability:

Speed:

Lifting Strength:

Characters

Earth-616 (Mainline Universe)

Earth-199999 (MCU)

Earth-96283 (Raimi Spider-Man Trilogy)

Earth-1610 (Ultimate Universe)

Other Continuities