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The Codex FAQ
Part I: General The Codex Wiki Questions
Q: I thought this was a powerscaling community?
A: Initially The Codex Wiki was a powerscaling wiki, back when its name was DebatesJungle Wiki, though around August 11th 2022 it was officially noted that the wiki is an indexing wiki.
Q: Why was the name changed from DebatesJungle Wiki to The Codex Wiki?
A: DebatesJungle Wiki didn't really fit as a name for the new vision as it still held a powerscaling vibe in the name, along with it the names gimmick didn't make much sense to what we actually did on the site. After realizing how massively broad our site is we agreed there'd be no real first name that'd fit the point of the site so it was agreed upon to name the site rightfully "The Codex" as codex are ancient manuscripts that are the precursor to books. With these essentially being entries in the book.
Q: Do you have an official way you treat fictional universes or do they vary?
A: The answer to that can be found on our How We Handle Fictional Universes page, though for a quick summary, every fictional universe is considered relative to the real universe unless big contradictions apply.
Q: Do you guys have any affiliations with Vs Battles Wiki (VSBW)?
A: The initial creator of DebatesJungle Wiki did initially make this as another one of the many off shoot wikis that came from users that used VSBW (which in itself is an off shoot from users that originally used Outskirts Battledome Wiki or OBD Wiki), along with this many of the staff did use to use the site. However now, none of the staff are active on VSBW and this wiki itself has no affiliation with it.
Q: I don't fully understand the Battle Records section now, where are the versus matches?
A: Initially the Battle Records section was used for Versus Threads, but it has been agreed upon by the community that versus threads do not make sense to be on the profile as profiles are meant to index official things, while versus threads are fan-made interpretations of who would win or not in a fight. Thus they have been put into the fun and games section for the discord. Now Battle Records are used to list official canon fights within a series and list where a character won or lost. With a tally mark on the top that lists the amounts of wins, loses, inconclusive, and potential unknowns they have.
Q: Why is there an area called General Information and another area called Codex Statistics?
A: During discussion with the two head staff, it was agreed that a lot of the things now put in "General Information" like name, age, classification, origin, status, etcetera, does not make sense to be in an area titled "Statistics", thus they were moved there. "Statistics" was renamed to "Codex Statistics", in essence this section essentially says "These are the stats the Codex has assigned to this profile". While General Information is more of an objective measure, Codex Statistics is more subjective as a character's power is constantly shifting and not absolute.
Q: Who should I message if I have questions regarding the wiki that aren’t answered here?
A: Simply contact one of our active bureaucrats or administrators. Before asking a question, make an effort to find the information on the wiki yourself. Only resort to asking the aforementioned staff members if you genuinely are unable to find the answer as to not waste anybody’s time.
Part II: Wiki Usage
Q: I want to start making pages, is there anything I’m not allowed to create?
A: You may make a page for any character as long as you are knowledgeable on the verse in question. Though it is requested that you make note a verse you're planning on doing. If you wish to make pages for an existing verse, please contact the knowledgeable members listed on the verse page to discuss the tiering with them, as many verses are still being worked on and the members in question may already be developing a page for the character page you wish to create. Of course, if the character you wish to create is from a fanon verse, be sure to thoroughly read our rules regarding fanon characters to see if they’re viable for the wiki. When making a page, please copy the code from the standard profile format page and build on it to make your new page.
Q: There is information on a page I found that I think is incorrect, what do I do?
A: Rather than editing pages yourself, you can go on a character or verses "Talk:" section of their page to propose possible changes. After all, this is a community based wiki, and many of the profiles on it were made by users collaborating with one another. Alternatively you can join our discord and talk about changes to a profile there (requests for a link require sending a discord DM to GiverOfThePeace, discord: ck_skies).
Q: How is are changes accepted?
A: A chage is accepted once there has been an overall agreement on said proposal that meets the standards of the wiki.
Q: What about if the mods accepted it and none of the knowledgeable members?
A: It’d be the same as a regular user accepting it, they have no extra addition to what can or cannot be added.
Q: Then what is the job of a mod during discussions?
A: Moderators all are tasked with mediating a discussion to make sure it doesn’t go out of control, along with this the only other true say they have above a regular user is explaining how something meets our standards.
Q: Why is there not a supporters/opponents/neutral section on verse pages. What is the “knowledgeable members” section?
A: The supporters/opponents/neutral section of the verse page was deemed completely pointless and detrimental in most cases. Viewing this upon other wikis it was common to see if someone was listed as an opponent they would have their takes or input be taken with a grain of salt just for disliking the verse. Along with this, all that truly matters is whose knowledgeable on said verse, we do not need to know where one’s opinions lie on the quality of it. Along with this, there have been tactics in the past for people to dishonestly put themselves in places like neutral or supporters to get away with sabotaging threads. Overall it was deemed completely pointless and negative in the long run, and thus scrapped. The knowledgeable members section is exactly what it says, a section for people knowledgeable on the verse to add themselves. It should be noted that if you want to put yourself under knowledgeable members you should be expected to reply to threads regarding said verse.
Part III: Tiering System
Q: Why don’t we use dimensional tiering?
A: Dimensional tiering is a system of tiering fictional characters that automatically assumes higher dimensions are qualitatively infinitely superior to lower dimensions. It is an inherently flawed idea because of this very reason, as spatial dimensions are simply axes of movement, they do not constitute for higher infinities in the way that some people may think they do. The forces responsible for determining attack potency, such as mass and acceleration, are not correlated to dimensionality in any way. To highlight this difference, destroying a 10+1 dimensional universe is no different than destroying a 3+1 dimensional universe in terms of attack potency. For more information, visit our Dimensional Tiering Explanation page.
Q: So additional spatial dimensions aren’t viable for tiering, but what about temporal dimensions?
A: Temporal dimensions are in the same boat. Though they're more impressive for specifically 2-C. Destroying the timeline of a universe involves the destruction of the universe at every single point in time, thus warranting a higher tier under our system. This is the reason 3-A and 2-C have a difference between them.
Q: Are there situations where dimensional tiering is applicable?
A: If the verse in question specifically portrays higher dimensions as higher layers of infinity, dimensional tiering can be applied. It is only when you try to apply dimensional tiering to verses that treat dimensionality the same as the real world that the idea begins to fall apart.
Q: Hold on a second… the tiering system here is different! Why is that?
A: Initially our tiering system was largely adapted from other power scaling wikis, though after various revisions, we have made it into its own unique system. These changes were made to make the tiering system more consistent and easier to understand. The specific changes can be seen by visiting our tiering system page.
Q: So then, how do we handle 1-C and above?
A: Rather than using higher dimensions as higher infinities, we handle tier 1 based off George Cantor's level of infinites, where there's higher order of infinities.
Q: But what were the specific changes made between tier 3 and tier 2?
A: The changes are the following:
- High 3-C: High 3-C is now where Multi-Galaxy level is, instead of 3-B.
- 3-B: 3-B has changed from Multi-Galaxy level to destroying an entire galaxy cluster, which typically contain hundreds to thousands of galaxies.
- 3-A: 3-A's name no longer uses universe level as the universe is officially defined as a universal space-time, which is our reasoning for reaching 2-C. Thus 3-A instead uses galactic superclusters as they are the largest cosmic structures of the universe, essentially putting a fitting end to tier 3's cosmic structures.
- High 3-A: High 3-A has now become Multi-Supercluster level, this is where cosmic structures are on a scale beyond the theoretical limit of the cosmological principle. Allowing for multiple superstructures to all of the matter in the universe, whether finite or infinite.
- Low 2-C: Low 2-C no longer represents destroying a single universal space-time, as it is now 2-C.
- 2-C: 2-C has been renamed to Universe level to differentiate as the definition of the universe is the whole space-time. This is due to Low 2-C moving to Low Multiverse level and then 2-B being Multiverse level was an odd inconsistency with the old tiering system.
- 2-B: 2-C [Low Multiverse level] has been moved to a new tier, that being 2-B. Additionally, the name has been changed to Multiverse Cell level. The reasoning for this is that our terms for tier 2 are based off scientific basis, and thus our using of the term "multiverse" should reflect this. The most relevant multiverse models that are commonly studied are ones that results in a countless number of universes or an infinite amount of universes, thus model wise, 2-B now falls under an assumption that a character performed a feat equivalent to destroying a portion of a countless or infinite multiverse model. Along with this, for 2-B rather than having an arbitrary upper limit of 1,000 universes [the old 2-B], this tier will be used for any finite multiverses that have a defined size, or multiverses that cannot be extrapolated to contain countless universes, or destroying sections of a countless or infinite universe..
- 2-A: This tier will now exclusively be assigned to finite multiverses that have no defined size, or contain countless universes so to speak. Usually a multiverse of ad infinitum or ever-growing size.
- 2-A+: Initially this tier was used to describe "5-D" in the old dimensional tiering system, it is now used to define a multiverse of infinite size.
- 1-C: This promotes the start of the levels of infinity, and specifically deals with the accessible cardinals.
- 1-B: This deals with the inaccessible cardinals of infinity.
- 1-A: This deals with a multiverse or realm that contains every possible mathematical idea, normally associated with the Level IV Multiverse.
- High 1-A: This deals with Absolute Infinity, the highest possible rating to get, nothing can go beyond this.
Q: What’s up with 1-A? Why is it so much different than how other wikis treat it?
A: To explain why we handle 1-A differently, we must explain the flaw with our initial 1-A. To start, the idea of 1-A on used to be based on the idea of dimensional tiering. To be 1-A, one must be superior to the concept of dimensions itself, of course, the problem with this being that since dimensions are not used for tiering, being superior to the concept of them shouldn’t account for tiering either. This leads to certain verses being massively inflated due to having dimensionless characters or realms, when they should be much lower on a system that is purely based on levels of infinity. Our 1-A simply consists of characters that reach essentially an inaccessible cardinal or Level IV Multiverse, regardless of whether or not they are dimensionless. For the specifics on how we handle the sub tiers of 1-A, check out our tiering system page.
Q: Alright, so how do we treat transcending?
A: Transcendence, in its truest nature, would reflect our High 1-A rating, as a true transcendent beings is unbound by and beyond everything, thus they'd be linked to absolute infinity as Cantor links that to God. Though this does not mean everyone with Transcendence gets High 1-A, instead one needs to meet the requirements of the truest nature of Transcendent in order too. For other characters with transcendence, it is treated as merely an ability as there is nothing prove one transcendent of space and time are infinitely superior to everything within the cosmos.
Q: Does moving in higher spatial dimensions grant Unknown: Undefinable speed?
A: Not quite. Unknown: Undefinable speed is limited to High 1-As as those are beings that cannot be described by mathematics. Going into a higher spatial dimension does not put your in this state as you’ve merely went into a higher space dimension. Being granted more directions/axis does not upgrade or make you any faster for instance you are still bound by the past, present, and future; you can just look at these angles from different axis now.
Q: Is it possible to be for a non-High 1-A to get Unknown: Undefinable speed?
A: For characters below High 1-A Unknown: Undefinable speed has been agreed upon to be removed, this is due to the fact that it in essence is not a speed as it's one being beyond the formula for speed, thus instead this would be an ability. This is consistent with fictions portrayal of characters normally beyond time not really being treated as a speedster.
Q: How is transcending space-time treated here?
A: Transcending space-time is an incredibly case by case scenario. For example, it could grant one Time Travel, it could grant one a resistance to Space-Time Manipulation, it could grant one Acausality, or it could grant all the above.
