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So basically a common argument I see against abstract beings not being abstract is "They died yet the concept they embody isn't gone", like for example, I know a lot of people argue that Death from CV can't be the concept of Death because when he dies death itself still exists, thus he can't be the abstract concept.

I used to run just fine with this logic until I realized something. It's an assumption. A logical assumption mind you, but fiction doesn't adhere logical assumptions as objective.

This is a metaphysical space with we have no true idea over, sure you CAN use as a case that stuff connected to the concept of something still persists thus it can't be that the concept was destroyed, however if the fictional verse is going fully out of their way to tell you this is the concept, then by that point you can't use the logical assumption just because it's logical, it's not objective and within that fiction it does not follow that logical assumption.

So basically I propose a note to the abstract existence page essentially just noting "stuff related to the concept still existing" is not fully enough to deny someone's abstract nature if they have strong evidence behind it as while it's a logical assumption, it is not an objective assumption and thus we do not auto-force a fiction to follow it.

God of War is another example of this where the gods are directly noted to be concepts of aspects themselves and their deaths only make weird alterations to the world rather then getting rid of everything related to it.

If anyone asks what's defined as "Strong evidence", literally claiming you're the concept itself multiple times throughout a series with, always being referred to as it, or any of the other requirements for usual abstract existence.

To add on to this, many stories and philosophical discussions explore the nature of concepts in ways that suggest they can exist independently of any physical representation. Therefore, without clear evidence or narrative justification, it would be technically incorrect to claim that the destruction of a concept would lead to the erasure of everything associated with it.

Posted by GiverOfThePeace (administrator) on 17 March 2026 at 05:27.