User:GiverOfThePeace/DBS Whose the Universe level

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Introduction

Hello, today I'm going to list all the issues regarding scaling Dragon Ball Super to Universe level or 2-C on our wiki. The reason for this being Universe level Dragon Ball being a very agreed upon tiering in the fandom, one that we don't follow. So strap in as I go over each of the tier 2 feats and the "support feats".

Just like in my Roshi moon debunk blog but the same goes here, so as a disclaimer: Do not take blogs from this wiki and try to use them on other wikis for upgrades or downgrades, the standards and practices we accept on this wiki is not the same as other wikis so taking what we say and applying it to another wiki isn't exactly the best practice. This blog is purely for this wiki and follows its standards.

Goku and Beerus Will Destroy the Universe

The feat comes from Dragon Ball Super Episode 12 where Goku and Beerus do a clash that makes a massive shockwave that has Elder Kai explain that they will destroy the universe if they keep going.

Now the first issue with this even being 2-C is that Elder Kai proceeds to explain what destruction of the universe means. Everything will become an empty void, this doesn't mean mind you that all of space will be destroyed, this is Elder Kai saying all matter will be destroyed thus resulting in an empty void, so this isn't a 2-C feat, this would be High 3-A at best.

Now here's where the second issue comes, it is stated here that the waves are the ones that eventually become more and more powerful and destroy the universe, the initial clash isn't outputting this power. This means that the waves eventually become High 3-A.

Now one may argue that they should scale to this, however we know they shouldn't for two important reasons, it's stated here that that once the universe is destroyed Goku and Beerus would die to it and Whis himself confirms he cannot stop this feat. Some people have tried to argue that Whis is just trolling but this is an unprecedented argument with no basis, Whis has no reason to troll in this scene, especially since Mr. Satan is begging him to stop it and offering him food (something Whis loves) in return.

Another thing to note is this feat is only possible with two god level beings, we'll see later a Goku much stronger then his Super Saiyan God self clash with people and these shockwaves never happen again.

To add onto this, people will also argue that Beerus is consistently stated to be capable of destroying the universe, but this is ignoring context. We contextually see how universe destruction works in Dragon Ball, not in just this instance mind you but in the next argument I'm going to cover too and you're going to see in both instances it's not "destroy the universe" in terms of getting High 3-A or 2-C as a tier.

Beerus and Champa clashing can destroy universe 6 and 7

It's noted here that Beerus and Champa fighting would lead to the end of both Universe 6 and Universe 7, and here it's noted they will destroy the universe if they kept on fighting.

For the first feat, we directly see the context of what they mean here again. When Beerus and Champa fight a purple circular aura forms around them and expands outwards, it's shown that everything that was in this aura gets turned to brittle and destroyed. This is an overtime feat that they do not scale to at all, along with this, it most defintely was not going to affect the space-time as it once again only affects matter.

For the second feat, we already see from the fight that they didn't instantly destroy the universe, as we see above what happens when they both fight and also saw above what happened when Goku and Beerus fought, we can thus easily conclude that this feat is not a 2-C or High 3-A feat.

Beerus is above Infinite Zamasu who is a living timeline

It comes from this here where Zamasu is becoming the universe.

Now this one seems clear cut, but yet again if we look at the context we'll see the issue. Gowasu directly states that Zamasu is trying to become the universe, and we see his body specifically forming over Earth, and trying to spread throughout the rest of the universe. We especially know Zamasu wasn't the timeline yet for another huge reason when Zeno erases Infinite Zamasu, Whis later on mentions that Trunks can go back in time before the world was erased, meaning that time still existed.

Kefla says she can blow away a universe

Can't find a scan for this on youtube, but basically Kefla says she can "blow away an entire universe in one shot", now ignoring how based she is, this statement means really nothing. It doesn't even fall under the reliable statement types. It's merely Kefla hyping herself after gaining a massive surge in power and nothing more, thus it's a baseless claim.

Conclusion

These are all the Universal Dragon Ball Super arguments I see get thrown around and all of them have the same issue of lacking context, asides from the Kefla one which is just baseless. If you have any issues with this blog and want to list your long refutes, I'd suggest joining the discord to discuss it, as conversations over blogs aren't at all a great place to discuss topics like these that obviously will be talked about in circles.

I'll also not being replying to any off-site "refutes" to my blog unless I really feel like it, this blog is for this site, if a person has an issue with it I've provided two ways to discuss it with me.