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*'''Sonic 3D Blast:''' [https://youtu.be/VPqPt_R7nuo?t=513 Both Knuckles] [https://youtu.be/VPqPt_R7nuo?t=243 and Tails] show up in the game. With Knuckles being friendly, meaning it has to be after Sonic 3, [https://youtu.be/7BG9MFD4VmU?t=39 where he was an adversary]. | *'''Sonic 3D Blast:''' [https://youtu.be/VPqPt_R7nuo?t=513 Both Knuckles] [https://youtu.be/VPqPt_R7nuo?t=243 and Tails] show up in the game. With Knuckles being friendly, meaning it has to be after Sonic 3, [https://youtu.be/7BG9MFD4VmU?t=39 where he was an adversary]. | ||
* | *'''Sonic the Hedgehog (8-Bit):''' With a lot of recent Q&As, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI0Jf3VssnU&t=337s spin-offs are]<ref>BumbleKast LIVE! for September 26th, 2022 - Q&A Livestream with Ian Flynn</ref> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzwyjJcycgg&t=5090s now canon]<ref>BumbleKast LIVE! for July 31st, 2023 - Ian Flynn Q&A Monthly Stream</ref>. The 8-bit games [https://youtu.be/UzwyjJcycgg?t=5092 All of the game gear games take place after the Genesis games]. | ||
*'''Sonic | *'''Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (8-Bit)''' | ||
*'''Sonic Chaos''' | |||
*'''Sonic the Hedgehog: Triple Trouble''' | |||
*'''Sonic | *'''Sonic Drift 1''' | ||
*'''Sonic | *'''Sonic Drift 2''' | ||
*'''Sonic | *'''Sonic Blast''' | ||
*'''Tails Skypatrol''' | |||
*''' | *'''Tails Adventure''' | ||
*''' | *'''Knuckles Chaotix:''' [https://youtu.be/iI-9RLmfnUY?t=204 It has since been officially confirmed canon]<ref>BumbleKast for November 13th, 2023 - Ian Flynn Q&A Podcast</ref>. [https://imgur.com/a/286Hn6j Takashi in an interview notes the Team Chaotix in Sonic Heroes are essentially recreated characters as they didn't work on Knuckles Chaotix]. | ||
*'''Sonic | *'''Sonic R:''' [https://youtu.be/AO1HUKOKDDM The game features Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Metal Sonic, Dr. Robotnik, and many more characters]. | ||
*'''Sonic | *'''Sonic the Fighters:''' [https://youtu.be/kXu_l9RMqFo The game features Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, and Espio, having it takes place after Knuckles Chaotix]. | ||
*''' | *'''Sonic Mania:''' [https://www.eurogamer.net/sonic-teams-takashi-iizuka-on-co-op-play-pixel-graphics-and-getting-momentum-right Iizuka decided to put Mania as canon by noting Sonic Superstars placement, which comes after Mania but before Adventure and he notes this is within the Classic Timeline]<ref>You've previously discussed a Sonic timeline for the games and Sega has a Sonic lore team. Where does Sonic Superstars sit on the timeline? How does it connect to other games in the series?<br>Iizuka: The Classic series began with Sonic 1 in 1991, and Sonic Adventure marked the switch to the Modern series in 1998. So in terms of the Sonic timeline, Sonic Superstars occurs after Sonic Mania and before Sonic Adventure. Whenever we develop a new game, we always make sure the story fits with the lore.</ref> [https://youtu.be/GU8wzpDfEaw?t=494 Is an official alternate timeline]. | ||
*''' | *'''Sonic Superstars:''' Takes place before Adventure but after Mania. | ||
==Alternative Timeline== | ==Alternative Timeline== |
Latest revision as of 01:14, 5 September 2024
Introduction
Sonic has a shaky canon in most other series due to how continuity is treated, basically very loosely. This page will intend to have a canon timeline of events. Do note this is not perfectly released in timeline order as some games don't have a direct timeline placement and are just acknowledged as canon. Do note that post-06 isn't an alternate timeline, it's a timeline reset. For games that have no reason for why they're placed in a certain area, the assumption is their release order is their timeline placement.
Addressing “Everything is Canon”
This comes not only from a Twitter post, a statement made by the dev team during Sonic Mania, and it’s plastered around the Sonic Encylospeedia. Now the first two parts are just a running joke from Aaron Webber answering YouTube chat questions, you'd have to be a fan of the official Sonic livestreams for quite some time to even catch that it's a reference. For the Enclyospeedia it makes an everything is canon statement but also directly states Chronicles is non-canon, so with this, it is either a reference to the running joke or that it means canon in terms of overall multiverse rather than a singular universe. Basically “Everything is Canon” isn’t proof of something being a part of the main timeline. It has been further extrapolated in the BumbleKast Q&A with Ian Flynn[1] that "Everything is Canon" isn't an official statement or that it "canon", thus this statement isn't at all usable. Mania is canon and it’s an alternate timeline for instance. For further confirmation, Ian Flynn in a Q&A said that the Archie, Game, and Boom multiverse are completely separate and not canon/connected[2]. Thus "Everything is Canon" is not in terms of everything being in one timeline.
It should also be noted that Ian himself is not the primary source when it comes to Sonic questions and is more of personal opinion[3], thus he is only a tertiary source when it comes to statements, he is merely for extra insight and context.
Classic Era
The original era that hosted the classic art style for Sonic.
Canon
The following games are considered canon to the Classic Era:
- Sonic the Hedgehog (16-bit)
- SegaSonic the Hedgehog: Introduces Mighty and Ray, and doesn’t have any real contradictions.
- Sonic the Hedgehog 2/Sonic the Hedgehog Pocket Adventure: Official sequel to Sonic the Hedgehog.
- Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles: Official sequel to Sonic the Hedgehog 3.
- Sonic 3D Blast: Both Knuckles and Tails show up in the game. With Knuckles being friendly, meaning it has to be after Sonic 3, where he was an adversary.
- Sonic the Hedgehog (8-Bit): With a lot of recent Q&As, spin-offs are[5] now canon[6]. The 8-bit games All of the game gear games take place after the Genesis games.
- Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (8-Bit)
- Sonic Chaos
- Sonic the Hedgehog: Triple Trouble
- Sonic Drift 1
- Sonic Drift 2
- Sonic Blast
- Tails Skypatrol
- Tails Adventure
- Knuckles Chaotix: It has since been officially confirmed canon[7]. Takashi in an interview notes the Team Chaotix in Sonic Heroes are essentially recreated characters as they didn't work on Knuckles Chaotix.
- Sonic R: The game features Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Metal Sonic, Dr. Robotnik, and many more characters.
- Sonic the Fighters: The game features Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, and Espio, having it takes place after Knuckles Chaotix.
- Sonic Mania: Iizuka decided to put Mania as canon by noting Sonic Superstars placement, which comes after Mania but before Adventure and he notes this is within the Classic Timeline[8] Is an official alternate timeline.
- Sonic Superstars: Takes place before Adventure but after Mania.
Alternative Timeline
- Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (8-Bit) Bad Ending: It heavily implies Tails is dead.
Non-Canon
- Sonic Spinball: Not only is it based on the SatAM series, but it also has 16 chaos emeralds, twice the established canon amount.
- Dr. Robotnik’s Mean Bean Machine: Based on Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, a non-canon cartoon.
- Sonic's Schoolhouse: An edutainment game that has not been referenced in any other games and lacks a reliable placement.
- Sonic Eraser: Puzzle game with no real plot.
Pre-Reset Era
Canon
- Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Modern design for characters, foreshadows the events of Metal Sonic in Sonic Heroes, and is meant as a bridge between the Classic and Modern games.
- Sonic Adventure
- Sonic Advance
- Sonic Shuffle
- Sonic Adventure 2
- Sonic Advance 2
- Sonic Advance 3
- Sonic Prime: Directly noted that Sonic Prime takes place "sometime after Advance 3", being noted noted as canon. What David Jaffe notes in this interview is the series is "Part of the Canon", and that it "ties directly into the mythology, with Sega also directly being involved with this show through the entire step. Any lore inconsistency was due to the Sonic Prime team ignoring any of the inconsistencies Ian Flynn and his team told them.
- Sonic Heroes
- Shadow the Hedgehog (True Ending): We don’t know how he got all 7 chaos emeralds, every route done during the game is a non-canon route. For how the actual timeline route of this game goes, from here to here is the canon intro, the entire game then goes on non-canon filler until we reach here where it becomes canon again.
- Sonic Battle
- Sonic Riders
- Sonic 06
Non Canon
- Shadow the Hedgehog (All endings sans Last Story): Every ending is non-canon and has radically different Shadows. The journey he goes through during the game is also non-canon as it reaches different routes, with the true route not specifying what he did to gain all 7 chaos emeralds.
Post-Reset Era
Through Elise blowing out Solaris' flames it reset all of the events that happened in 06.
Canon
- Sonic Rivals
- Sonic Rivals 2
- Sonic Rush
- Sonic Rush Adventure
- Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity
- Sonic Riders: Free Riders
- Sonic and the Secret Rings
- Sonic Unleashed
- Sonic and the Black Knight
- Sonic Colors DS/Sonic Colors (Wii)/Sonic Colors Ultimate
- Sonic Generations/Sonic Generations DS
- Sonic Lost World
- Sonic Forces
- Team Sonic Racing
- Sonic Frontiers
- Sonic Dream Team: Directly noted as canon by Ian Flynn.
Alternate Timeline
- Sonic Boom: Directly confirmed a parallel universe.
Non-Canon
- Sonic Runners: The game's event-exclusive episodes are equally evident in being non-canon due to some companions being characters from certain games whose endings imply Sonic will never meet again, such as Chip, and Sonic not knowing who Merlina is, despite meeting her in Sonic and the Black Knight. Even more curiously, Sonic does not recognize Erazor Djinn or King Shahryar despite the characters implying that the events of Sonic and the Secret Rings have taken place. Along with this Ian Flynn has noted that Sonic Dream Team is the first mobile Sonic game to be canon.
- All Mario and Sonic the Olympic Games: Pretty much not considered canon to Mario nor Sonic.
- Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing/Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed: Characters from not only other Sega games, but random Disney movies appear in it.
References
- ↑ BumbleKast for July 25th, 2022 - Priority Q&A Podcast with Ian Flynn
- ↑ BumbleKast Live Q&A Stream for January 1st, 2022
- ↑ I've come to make an announcement. | BumbleKast for Jan. 27th - Ian Flynn Q&A Podcast
- ↑ Originally considered a direct prequel to Sonic 4, but the latest Sonic game retcons that.
- ↑ BumbleKast LIVE! for September 26th, 2022 - Q&A Livestream with Ian Flynn
- ↑ BumbleKast LIVE! for July 31st, 2023 - Ian Flynn Q&A Monthly Stream
- ↑ BumbleKast for November 13th, 2023 - Ian Flynn Q&A Podcast
- ↑ You've previously discussed a Sonic timeline for the games and Sega has a Sonic lore team. Where does Sonic Superstars sit on the timeline? How does it connect to other games in the series?
Iizuka: The Classic series began with Sonic 1 in 1991, and Sonic Adventure marked the switch to the Modern series in 1998. So in terms of the Sonic timeline, Sonic Superstars occurs after Sonic Mania and before Sonic Adventure. Whenever we develop a new game, we always make sure the story fits with the lore.