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Currently we accept all planes being universal in size, along with Theros being a starscape. Both of these are not true.
Currently we accept all planes being universal in size, along with Theros being a starscape. Both of these are not true.


To start, we have this source (link will be provided later if you are viewing this sandbox) stating that most planes consist of a planet, a moon, and a sun. Some planes are fully fledged universes, and some are infinitesimal specks. So unless proven otherwise (I.E, planes that contain stars and likely a full universe such as Ravnica or Innistrad), we should assume that planes are '''4-B''' in size.
To start, we have [https://web.archive.org/web/20140605030053/http://www.wizards.com/MAGIC/Multiverse/planes.aspx this source] stating that most planes consist of a planet, a moon, and a sun. Some planes are fully fledged universes, and some are infinitesimal specks. So unless proven otherwise (I.E, planes that contain stars and likely a full universe such as [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/761672725441544192/840984801708343326/image0.jpg Ravnica] or [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/761672725441544192/840986977112948757/image0.jpg Innistrad]), we should assume that planes are '''4-B''' in size.


Now for Theros's structure. At a glance, it may seem that Theros is a plane that contains actual stars. However, there are many things contradicting Theros containing an actual starscape.
Now for Theros's structure. At a glance, it may seem that Theros is a plane that contains actual stars. However, there are many things contradicting Theros containing an actual starscape.
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*[https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/5/55/Nyx1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200303091611 Nyx is stated to be a proverbial land of dreams] [https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/f/fb/Nyx3.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200303092730 multiple times]
*[https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/5/55/Nyx1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200303091611 Nyx is stated to be a proverbial land of dreams] [https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/f/fb/Nyx3.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200303092730 multiple times]


*(More to come if you are reading this sandbox)
*"It was a Nyxborn stag, and it dripped rivulets of blood and star field into a glowing crimson pool on the cold stone floor of the empty banquet hall."
 
*"The sun warmed them, and in the places where they should have cast shadows, the glittering stars of Nyx lay on the ground."
 
*"Thassa had landed at the feet of the Nyx fragments, which stood taller than the greatest cyclops, who was seven times as tall as an average man. There were ten broken shards that looked like the fingers of a titan grasping up from under the ground. The fragments were hollow like the gods, filled with the night sky and the sparkling stars and mists of color and patterns of all the knowledge of the world and the cosmos beyond."


Due to these quotes, instead of being an actual starscape, Theros is likely a dome that is a skybox. This dome is planetary in size, and likely contains a moon and a sun.  
Due to these quotes, instead of being an actual starscape, Theros is likely a dome that is a skybox. This dome is planetary in size, and likely contains a moon and a sun.  
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Not only is this magical lightning (along with the next scan, so I can quickly refute it; The second scan was fired by [[Ugin]], making the second scan an outlier as well), but it outright states that Jace already looked into the mage's mind.
Not only is this magical lightning (along with the next scan, so I can quickly refute it; The second scan was fired by [[Ugin]], making the second scan an outlier as well), but it outright states that Jace already looked into the mage's mind.


All the weaker Neowalkers go to '''Subsonic''' (Reasoning will be provided here for the time being), while Ral gets '''Massively Hypersonic''' attack speeds since he can fire natural lightning. Sarkhan gets '''Massively Hypersonic''' via powerscaling to [[Kolaghan]] while he is in his dragon form.
All the weaker Neowalkers go to '''Subsonic''' for scaling to [https://pastebin.com/PFvEDSw7 Jace mentally assaulting Ob Nixilis before Nixilis could hit him], [https://pastebin.com/JKmLSPZZ which was under a tiny fraction of a second], while Ral gets '''Massively Hypersonic''' attack speeds since he can fire natural lightning. Sarkhan gets '''Massively Hypersonic''' via powerscaling to [[Kolaghan]] while he is in his dragon form.


Nicol Bolas (and those who scale) will recieve '''FTL''' ratings for upscaling from [[Dromoka]] and her brood, which breaths out literal light. Nicol Bolas can also fire light at the Amonkhet gods.
Nicol Bolas (and those who scale) will recieve '''FTL''' ratings for upscaling from [[Dromoka]] and her brood, which breaths out literal light. Nicol Bolas can also fire light at the Amonkhet gods.


==Section IV: Quality of Life changes for Nicol Bolas (Upgrades and Revisions)==
==Section IV: Quality of Life changes for Nicol Bolas (Upgrades and Revisions)==
[[User:Sadistic Sleuth/sandbox|Bolas's new profile is in here]]. If this is accepted, everything will be applied, barring the powers and abilities.

Revision as of 23:25, 11 May 2021

This is the first part of the two CRTs that will massively revise Magic: the Gathering. This will revise the AP and Speed of the profiles, the next (which will likely come out this summer) will revise the hax. Now, without further ado, lets get into it.

Section I: 6-C Downgrade

We have characters that currently scale off of Polukranos destroying Akros and Meletis. The problem with this calc is that it assumes Polukranos generated a massive blast, but this is likely not the case. Due to Polukranos's nature, Polukranos likely destroyed the two cities over a short time by rampaging through it, not by generating a massive blast. The strongest planeswalkers being 6-C would make no sense, since none of them could physically or magically harm the Eldrazi titans, who are consistently 7-A.

Polukranos (and those who scale) will be receiving a 7-A rating for being above Arixmethes, who is massive enough to have an entire city built on a small portion of his back.

Section II: 4-A and 2-C Downgrades

Currently we accept all planes being universal in size, along with Theros being a starscape. Both of these are not true.

To start, we have this source stating that most planes consist of a planet, a moon, and a sun. Some planes are fully fledged universes, and some are infinitesimal specks. So unless proven otherwise (I.E, planes that contain stars and likely a full universe such as Ravnica or Innistrad), we should assume that planes are 4-B in size.

Now for Theros's structure. At a glance, it may seem that Theros is a plane that contains actual stars. However, there are many things contradicting Theros containing an actual starscape.

  • "It was a Nyxborn stag, and it dripped rivulets of blood and star field into a glowing crimson pool on the cold stone floor of the empty banquet hall."
  • "The sun warmed them, and in the places where they should have cast shadows, the glittering stars of Nyx lay on the ground."
  • "Thassa had landed at the feet of the Nyx fragments, which stood taller than the greatest cyclops, who was seven times as tall as an average man. There were ten broken shards that looked like the fingers of a titan grasping up from under the ground. The fragments were hollow like the gods, filled with the night sky and the sparkling stars and mists of color and patterns of all the knowledge of the world and the cosmos beyond."

Due to these quotes, instead of being an actual starscape, Theros is likely a dome that is a skybox. This dome is planetary in size, and likely contains a moon and a sun.

The Gods of Theros are going to be High 6-A, possibly 4-B for being able to shake the plane of Theros, but whether or not the entire plane or just the planet is involved is unknown. Xenagos is going to be 4-B outright for being above all the gods and creating a void being able to swallow the entire plane.

Nicol Bolas will also be affected by this, but we will get to him in a minute.

Section III: Massively Hypersonic+ and Massively FTL+ Downgrades

As proven by the points above, the constellations are not actual constellations and thus the Massively FTL+ speed should be disregarded completely.

Our Massively Hypersonic+ feats for the Neowalkers are invalid. The two are Jace reacting to lightning twice.

The first image comes from the card Psychic Rebuttal. Let's look at the flavor text, shall we?

"I know what you're thinking," Jace whispered in the mage's mind. "It's not going to work."
~ Flavor Text

Not only is this magical lightning (along with the next scan, so I can quickly refute it; The second scan was fired by Ugin, making the second scan an outlier as well), but it outright states that Jace already looked into the mage's mind.

All the weaker Neowalkers go to Subsonic for scaling to Jace mentally assaulting Ob Nixilis before Nixilis could hit him, which was under a tiny fraction of a second, while Ral gets Massively Hypersonic attack speeds since he can fire natural lightning. Sarkhan gets Massively Hypersonic via powerscaling to Kolaghan while he is in his dragon form.

Nicol Bolas (and those who scale) will recieve FTL ratings for upscaling from Dromoka and her brood, which breaths out literal light. Nicol Bolas can also fire light at the Amonkhet gods.

Section IV: Quality of Life changes for Nicol Bolas (Upgrades and Revisions)

Bolas's new profile is in here. If this is accepted, everything will be applied, barring the powers and abilities.