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Outer Gods respect thread, WIP

Great Old Ones

So to start of with this scaling, we will be looking at the Great Old Ones which souldn't take too long. So Anyways let's begin.

"The Old Ones were, the Old Ones are, and the Old Ones shall be. Not in the spaces we know, but between them, They walk serene and primal, undimensioned and to us unseen. Yog-Sothoth knows the gate. Yog-Sothoth is the gate. Yog-Sothoth is the key and guardian of the gate. Past, present, future, all are one in Yog-Sothoth. He knows where the Old Ones broke through of old, and where They shall break through again. He knows where They have trod earth’s fields, and where They still tread them, and why no one can behold Them as They tread. By Their smell can men sometimes know Them near, but of Their semblance can no man know, saving only in the features of those They have begotten on mankind; and of those are there many sorts, differing in likeness from man’s truest eidolon to that shape without sight or substance which is Them. They walk unseen and foul in lonely places where the Words have been spoken and the Rites howled through at their Seasons. The wind gibbers with Their voices, and the earth mutters with Their consciousness. They bend the forest and crush the city, yet may not forest or city behold the hand that smites. Kadath in the cold waste hath known Them, and what man knows Kadath? The ice desert of the South and the sunken isles of Ocean hold stones whereon Their seal is engraven, but who hath seen the deep frozen city or the sealed tower long garlanded with seaweed and barnacles? Great Cthulhu is Their cousin, yet can he spy Them only dimly." - The Dunwich Horror

• So this excerpt from the Dunwhich horror. Basically what we get from this in a nutshell, as the The Great Old Ones are "Undimensioned". Beyond Dimensional beings are definitely no thing in the Cthulhu Mythos, but it certainly applies to Great Old Ones whith support from this excerpt. Now you may be thinking "Doesn't this Make Cthulhu 1-A?" Well, not Really quite frankly. If you read further it says that Cthulhu can only spy on the other Great Old Ones dimly. Now this is basically saying, Cthulhu isn't really shit compared to his Great Old One Cousins. While it would be nice to have 1-A Cthulhu, sadly he does not scale do that last quote.

• So most of The Great Old Ones are 1-A, but if Cthulhu doesn't scale well how strong is he? Well I have actually have a feat for him.

"I learned whence Cthulhu first came, and why half the great temporary stars of history had flared forth." - The Whisperer in Darkness

• What you get from this quote is that basically, Cthulhu destroyed MANY stars before coming to earth. Now then comes the next question. So we know Cthulhu is atleast Star Level if he exploded stars, but how many stars did he explode in what time frame? Well if we said he destroyed each star separately, well, that would take more assumption, than simply saying he did at once. From the context in the sentence, it's likely that all these stars "flared forth", at the same time, rather than individually. Now I can't find an official list of stars that have exploded, so going with Solar System, to Multi Solar System should be just fine. This would of course scale to the likes of Dagon and the Mother Hydra, since they are Great Old Ones as well, but for the higher end Great Old Ones they would be 1-A of course.

• Now how about Cthulhu's speed? Well here is another excerpt for you.

"It was curious to note from the pictured battles that both the Cthulhu spawn and the Mi-Go seem to have been composed of matter more widely different from that which we know than was the substance of the Old Ones. They were able to undergo transformations and reintegrations impossible for their adversaries, and seem therefore to have originally come from even remoter gulfs of the cosmic space. The Old Ones, but for their abnormal toughness and peculiar vital properties, were strictly material, and must have had their absolute origin within the known space-time continuum - whereas the first sources of the other beings can only be guessed at with bated breath. All this, of course, assuming that the non-terrestrial linkages and the anomalies ascribed to the invading foes are not pure mythology. Conceivably, the Old Ones might have invented a cosmic framework to account for their occasional defeats, since historical interest and pride obviously formed their chief psychological element. It is significant that their annals failed to mention many advanced and potent races of beings whose mighty cultures and towering cities figure persistently in certain obscure legends." - At the Mountains of Madness

• So in this excerpt it's heavily implied Cthulhu and his spawn came from another time-space continuum altogether, because the fact that they aren't truly matter as we know it. So if Cthulhu indeed came from another time-space this would of course be an immeasurable speed fight, as moving from timeline to timeline is considered immeasurable. Another nice part about this excerpt is the statements about Cthulhu not being made of matter. This would mean any form of physical damage done to their bodies, wouldn't really do anything, giving their bodies a non corporeal aspect. Theres also more evidence for Immeasurable speed Cthulhu.

"According to these scraps of information, the basis of the fear was a horrible elder race of half-polypous, utterly alien entities which had come through space from immeasurably distant universes and had dominated the earth and three other solar planets about six hundred million years ago. They were only partly material—as we understand matter—and their type of consciousness and media of perception differed wholly from those of terrestrial organisms. For example, their senses did not include that of sight; their mental world being a strange, non-visual pattern of impressions. They were, however, sufficiently material to use implements of normal matter when in cosmic areas containing it; and they required housing—albeit of a peculiar kind. Though their senses could penetrate all material barriers, their substance could not; and certain forms of electrical energy could wholly destroy them. They had the power of aërial motion despite the absence of wings or any other visible means of levitation. Their minds were of such texture that no exchange with them could be effected by the Great Race." - The Shadow out of Time

• Like Cthulhu The Flying Polyp are not made of "Matter" as we know it, and it's also stated they come from "Immeasurably different Universes" much like the previous excerpt for Cthulhu, which further supports Cthulhu's speed being Immeasurable, along with the fact Cthulhu and has Star Spawn would actually above the flying polyp, as the waged war on the elder things, which fought with the great race of yith, which also fought with the flying polyp. So enough about Cthulhu's speed, let's move on to his other abilities. 

"Poor Johansen's handwriting almost gave out when he wrote of this. Of the six men who never reached the ship, he thinks two perished of pure fright in that accursed instant. The Thing cannot be described - there is no language for such abysms of shrieking and immemorial lunacy, such eldritch contradictions of all matter, force, and cosmic order. A mountain walked or stumbled. God! What wonder that across the earth a great architect went mad, and poor Wilcox raved with fever in that telepathic instant? The Thing of the idols, the green, sticky spawn of the stars, had awaked to claim his own. The stars were right again, and what an age-old cult had failed to do by design, a band of innocent sailors had done by accident. After vigintillions of years great Cthulhu was loose again, and ravening for delight." - The Call of Cthulhu

"He talked of his dreams in a strangely poetic fashion; making me see with terrible vividness the damp Cyclopean city of slimy green stone - whose geometry, he oddly said, was all wrong..." - The Call of Cthulhu

"Without knowing what futurism is like, Johansen achieved something very close to it when he spoke of the city; for instead of describing any definite structure or building, he dwells only on broad impressions of vast angles and stone surfaces - surfaces too great to belong to anything right or proper for this earth, and impious with horrible images and hieroglyphs. I mention his talk about angles because it suggests something Wilcox had told me of his awful dreams. He said that the geometry of the dream-place he saw was abnormal, non-Euclidean, and loathsomely redolent of spheres and dimensions apart from ours. Now an unlettered seaman felt the same thing whilst gazing at the terrible reality." - The Call of Cthulhu

“swallowed up by an angle of masonry which shouldn’t have been there; an angle which was acute, but behaved as if it were obtuse.” 

• So this is definitely indication of Higher Dimensional Manipulation, as R'lyeh is described as "all wrong", and "Non-Euclidean", and the angular geometry being somehow acute, and obtuse at the same time. 

"Steam had not been suffered to go down entirely, despite the departure of all hands for the shore; and it was the work of only a few moments of feverish rushing up and down between wheel and engines to get the Alert under way. Slowly, amidst the distorted horrors of that indescribable scene, she began to churn the lethal waters; whilst on the masonry of that charnel shore that was not of earth the titan Thing from the stars slavered and gibbered like Polypheme cursing the fleeing ship of Odysseus. Then, bolder than the storied Cyclops, great Cthulhu slid greasily into the water and began to pursue with vast wave-raising strokes of cosmic potency. Briden looked back and went mad, laughing shrilly as he kept on laughing at intervals till death found him one night in the cabin whilst Johansen was wandering deliriously." - The Call of Cthulhu

"It was from the artists and poets that the pertinent answers came, and I know that panic would have broken loose had they been able to compare notes. As it was, lacking their original letters, I half suspected the compiler of having asked leading questions, or of having edited the correspondence in corroboration of what he had latently resolved to see. That is why I continued to feel that Wilcox, somehow cognisant of the old data which my uncle had possessed, had been imposing on the veteran scientist. These responses from aesthetes told a disturbing tale. From February 28th to April 2nd a large proportion of them had dreamed very bizarre things, the intensity of the dreams being immeasurably the stronger during the period of the sculptor’s delirium. Over a fourth of those who reported anything, reported scenes and half-sounds not unlike those which Wilcox had described; and some of the dreamers confessed acute fear of the gigantic nameless thing visible toward the last. One case, which the note describes with emphasis, was very sad. The subject, a widely known architect with leanings toward theosophy and occultism, went violently insane on the date of young Wilcox’s seizure, and expired several months later after incessant screamings to be saved from some escaped denizen of hell. Had my uncle referred to these cases by name instead of merely by number, I should have attempted some corroboration and personal investigation; but as it was, I succeeded in tracing down only a few. All of these, however, bore out the notes in full. I have often wondered if all the objects of the professor’s questioning felt as puzzled as did this fraction. It is well that no explanation shall ever reach them." - The Call of Cthulhu

"March 1st—our February 28th according to the International Date Line—the earthquake and storm had come. From Dunedin the Alert and her noisome crew had darted eagerly forth as if imperiously summoned, and on the other side of the earth poets and artists had begun to dream of a strange, dank Cyclopean city whilst a young sculptor had moulded in his sleep the form of the dreaded Cthulhu. March 23d the crew of the Emma landed on an unknown island and left six men dead; and on that date the dreams of sensitive men assumed a heightened vividness and darkened with dread of a giant monster’s malign pursuit, whilst an architect had gone mad and a sculptor had lapsed suddenly into delirium! And what of this storm of April 2nd—the date on which all dreams of the dank city ceased, and Wilcox emerged unharmed from the bondage of strange fever? What of all this—and of those hints of old Castro about the sunken, star-born Old Ones and their coming reign; their faithful cult and their mastery of dreams? Was I tottering on the brink of cosmic horrors beyond man’s power to bear? If so, they must be horrors of the mind alone, for in some way the second of April had put a stop to whatever monstrous menace had begun its siege of mankind’s soul."

• The excerpts above basically implies Cthulhu's dream manipulation, and mind manipulation. So Wilcox keeps speaking of dreams about a dank Cyclopean city, obviously being' R'lyeh. It also showcases Cthulhu's Madness Manipulation, as he caused Birden to go mad while chasing after him in the waters, and another architect to go insane on the date of Wilcox's seizure. Also Artist on the other side of the world, had also had these same dreams as wilcox, supporting that Cthulhu also has planetary range.

Outer Gods

We've moved on from the small boys, and now it's time to get to the main stars of this thread, the Outer Gods.