Forum - Sonic Verse Revisions

First we finished Mario, then we finished Mega Man, then we did Pokemon, now is Sonic. I trust my commenters in this thread enough to not have to say don't bring up Mario (and now cause of that I'm going to see 5 billion jokes with that...).

Super Form tiering is pretty controversial, but let's go over one thing that ABSOLUTELY needs to be added to Chaos Emeralds, and it's thanks to Mr. Ian Flynn, the dude that's apparently the enemy of Sonic powerscalers or something. Ian Flynn directly notes the chaos emeralds power are based off the hopes and wishes of the user, thus it grants the wish of the user, examples he list is Sonic wanting to defeat Eggman so Super Sonic, if Solaris wished with the chaos emeralds he'd bring the end to everything and more. So if you want to be super technical the chaos emeralds can reach 2-C but it'd require one's wishes with it to do that. Think similar to the power of the Blaze from Mortal Kombat. We know it's not just "powerful wish" either since Chaos' immeasurable hatred was just for the power to destroy the world, and he was granted the power to effectively flood it, so it's not an instant if you have immense wish you're going to destroy the universe. On top of it, Ian himself using the Solaris example notes it's something the emeralds would grant of somebody of the "innate power", so your power does matter somewhat to the wishes. If you want to say this statement from Ian cannot be used, for one this was Ian Flynn answering the question specifically in context to what are the capabilities according to Sega, so this wasn't his own interpretation (even though he's one of the writers so it'd be a valid interpretation), and on top of that it's a statement supported in the series.

Sonic Adventure notes that Sonic is drawing the power of hopes and dreams from the Chaos Emeralds to achieve his super form, Knuckles directly notes Chaos is power, directly drawn from the heart in Sonic Adventure 2, Blaze diretly notes the chaos emeralds turns one's thoughts into power. Through a whole power of friendship speech in Sonic Generations Sonic and Classic Sonic gain Super Forms to defeat Time Eater when they stood no chance against him prior, with Blaze and Silver directly noting to Sonic to harness the power of the emeralds. So all in all they should get varies, now on top of that where do they vary from? Well I think safe to say as a bare minimum is that Super Sonic wants to stop Eggman always so there will never be a Super form weaker then the prior one, it wouldn't make any real narrative sense, on top of that they note several times Sonic is harnessing the full power of the emeralds, which Gerald has directly noted seven chaos emeralds might destroy the planet, Eggman shoots a fully charged laser with the power of the chaos emeralds DIRECTLY siphoned from Super Sonic to the point that it drained them and it does this much damage to the planet. This one is harder to quantify cause it's literally Dark Gaia waking up causing the planet to break apart, but we can say the chaos emeralds energy helped cause this regardless. Breaking the planet apart like this? Honestly, I was going to say High 6-A but I genuinely don't know why I've just been ignoring the existence of Moon level and Small Planet level which both would cover the immense damage done to the earth and upscale from the 6 emeralds causing that massive hole in the moon that was done as a demonstration of what the space colony ark could do. So basically Sonic is always harnessing the full energy of the chaos emeralds and then should get a Varies-B. At least 5-C/Low 5-B with empowerment since he's always growing stronger with his Super Form since his wishes would be more determined. Consistent also with Super Form harming a living planetoid albeit with help.

But what about the whole thing with the "doesn't exert the full power of the Emeralds" bit on the profile? "At least Country level (Potency) (Empowered by the seven chaos emeralds, though does not exert the full power of the Emeralds to reach planetary levels of destruction. However Super Sonic should be superior to the moon destruction done by six Chaos Emeralds where Amy noted half of the moon is gone)" This part can be completely removed, too many statements of him using the full power of the emeralds, the statement is misunderstanding events in Sonic Frontiers anyways.

Speed has already been changed a long time ago, pretty much the only other thing is if Super Sonic's arrow of light statement is true from Elise (which I believe it blitzes Solaris too when used) that would get Speed of Light through Arrow of Light.

The chaos abilities are honestly my least favorite part of the profile because they're incredibly lacking.

Using Sonic's profile as an example, he has both a thing for Super Form and Chaos Emeralds that are listed under the same abilities, Super Form should just be an extra tabber in the with chaos emeralds tabber as it operates as an extension of that state.

But asides from just that, the current chaos abilities need to be updated: |-|Chaos Emeralds=

There's a lot more I'm missing but for the current state of the profile I think this should be established. Also if you're wondering why none of Super Sonic's abilities got listed, since Super Sonic in specific is a result of Sonic's wish as Ian explained, his abilities should be listed specifically for his super form or whoever replicates his super form (Super Shadow, Super Silver, Super Knuckles, Super Amy, etcetera).

If you're wondering why Shadow's chaos abilities have been removed from the standard emerald, let me explain: Shadow's chaos potential is effectively perfect, which is why he's considered the ultimate life form, Omega himself notes that Shadow was bred to be such, so he has a natural flow with chaos emeralds to where I don't think it's something that should apply to let's say, a random GUN Soldier happened to pick up a emerald and use it. So it should be unique to Shadow and whoever else showcases the ability to replicate them.

If anyone wants to add extra abilities this is 100% the thread for it.

• Super Forms tier get a varies with the lowest tier being 5-C.
• More abilities for chaos emeralds