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This will be my collection of calcs made for the 2008 Nintendo DS title, Glory of Heracles. All of these calcs will be made by me, SuperSaiyan2Link (mainly because the game isn't big enough for the rest of the VS Community to bother with it).
I will separate each with a new Heading as to make it easy to link to them each separately. Without further ado, let's begin.
Cosmology
The Glory of Heracles series is completely based on Greek Mythology, from head to toe, which can make the cosmology and scaling somewhat confusing when you look at things beyond a base level. As we know, Greek Mythology viewed the universe in a much different way than we did, and so it needs some explaining.
The entire cosmology in Greek Mythos was seen as layers. You have Earth, where all living beings are known to reside. Below Earth is the Underworld, above Earth is the Firmament with the Stars, and above the Firmament is the Heavens. As easy way to explain this is to clarify that the Firmament of the Stars is the entire universe as we know it, with the Heavens and Underworld existing separately from it.
So we know that the Firmament is just the universe, but do we know how large it is? How many stars it contains? Because according to the image presented, there really aren't too many stars. That's when we can turn to Glory of Heracles itself, where we are shown several shots of the Firmament.
The Firmament is shown here, among many other places. You see that is extremely similar to our universe, with stars littered throughout. The easiest assumption to make would be to say that the Firmament in Glory of Heracles is as expansive as our own universe.
It is also important to note that when a character is referred to as "creating the stars," "creating the skies," "holding the power of the stars", etc., then this would be encapsulating the entire universe. Greek mythology did not split the universe into things such as a galaxy or solar system the way we do, there was only the single Firmament. This point will be important for some of the feats below.
Typhon threatens the Earth: (5-B)
As described by Cassandra the Prophet, Typhon will destroy the entire Earth if he is not immediately stopped. Note that Cassandra is not being hyperbolic, nor is she uninformed, since she was directly cursed by the Gods because the prophecies she tells are completely true.
Due to the urgency of Cassandra's warning, it is clear that Typhon destroying the Earth would not be a long over-time feat. With that, we can safely say that he is: Planet level (5-B)
Those who fought Typhon would scale to him. Icarus, Leucos, Axios, Heracles, and Older Eris. Agon would likely scale as well, and so would the higher-tier gods/titans like Zeus, Hera, Oceanus and Uranus. This feat is important, and will be referred back to for more feats down below, so keep note of it.
Axios, Arnos, & Agon: (Low 5-B)
The all-powerful Titan, Oceanus, ended up being put into a position where he split his power into three different humanoid bodies; Axios, Arnos, and Agon. There is absolutely no reason to believe that one piece got more power than the other, as all three can generally keep up with one another, and Agon only ever surpasses the other two when he obtains power through outside-sources.
Oceanus at its full strength is said to be able to defeat Typhon. We know Typhon's strength due to the feat above, and so Oceanus is solidly: Planet level (5-B)
This isn't the end, however. As mentioned above, Oceanus split his power across three equal parts, being Axios, Arnos, and Agon. In order to calculate how strong they are individually, all I need to do is divide Planet level (5-B) by three.
The baseline power required to be 5-B is 59.44 Zettatons. Divide that by three and you get 19.81 Zettatons, which comfortably fits right into: Small Planet level (Low 5-B)
Axios, Arnos, and Agon would thus be this strong. Most early-game characters would scale to this power, which is mainly the early party members, like Icarus, Leucos, Iphicles (as Heracles), Younger Eris, Captain Gazuth, Eudorus, and Patroclus.
Quarter of Heracles's Soul: (Low 5-B)
Similar to Oceanus, the legendary Demigod Heracles also went through a cool soul split, this time due to Daedalus's Crasis experiment. Unlike Oceanus who split into three, however, Heracles's soul was split in four equal pieces. One went to the marionette of Icarus, one went into Iphicles's corpse (renaming him Heracles), one went to Daedalus (renaming him General Heracles), and the final quarter remained within Heracles himself.
There's no real reason to believe that his soul was split into unequal pieces, so I will assume that it was for this calculation.
By the end of the game, Heracles reclaims each quarter of his soul and reaches his peak power once again. In this state, he is able to defeat Typhon, and so we know that he is: Planet level (5-B)
In order to then see the power of Icarus, Iphicles, Daedalus, and the husk of Heracles (at least in the early-game before some of them scale to Typhon), I will take Heracles's power and divide it by four.
The baseline power required to be 5-B is 59.44 Zettatons. Divide that by four and you get 14.86 Zettatons, which comfortably fits right into: Small Planet level (Low 5-B)
This is extremely consistent, since Icarus at the beginning of the game is able to match Axios, who was shown to be in this same tier in the calc above. Leucos, Younger Eris, Captain Gazuth, Eudorus, and Patroclus would be able to scale to this as well. This feat solidifies where the early-game cast would be in terms of power.
The Celestial Dagger: (High 4-A)
During the late-game, Leucos receives an extremely powerful dagger called the Celestial Dagger, which has this as its item description.
"Even gods fear this dagger that channels the power of the stars."
Normally in fiction, a statement that simply says "the stars" can be too vague to actually base a feat or calc off of. Thankfully, due to the way that Greek Mythos and Glory of Heracles works, we know exactly what it means. This would refer to the Firmament of the Stars, which encapsulates all of the stars within the entire universe.
With this knowledge in hand, I can easily calculate how powerful the Celestial Dagger would then be, by simply multiplying the power of a single star (using the baseline power required for Star level) by the amount of stars in the universe.
The baseline power required for Star level (4-C) is 2.3e41 Joules. There are roughly 1 septillion stars in the universe. Multiply that together, you find that the power required to destroy every star in the universe would be 2.3e65 Joules.
2.3e65 Joules: Multi-Star Cluster level+ (High 4-A)
This is consistent too, as the people who scale to this are few and far between. Leucos obviously scales through wielding the weapon, and doesn't scale when she isn't. The Celestial Dagger is directly described as a weapon that scares gods, which makes sense due to its immense power compared to what is regular for the game (Planet level). Only the top of the top gods, such as Zeus and Uranus, would likely scale.
Wielding this dagger also scales durability to High 4-A as well, since wielding weapons in Glory of Heracles raises a character's Defense stat appropriately.
Uranus's Sword: (3-A)
Much like the Celestial Dagger, this is a sword that has an extremely peculiar item description, stating this.
"A divine sword some believe created the star-flecked skies."
First off, although it says "some believe," we can assume that this story is actually true, as this sword was directly owned by the Titan, Uranus, who is the God of the Sky. It basically goes without saying that Uranus thus created the sky, and this sword is basically just the instrument through which he did this. Because of this, I will take the quote literally.
Note also that unlike the Celestial Dagger, Uranus's Sword did not create all of the stars in the skies, it created the skies itself. The quote directly explains that it "created the star-flecked skies), with the "star-flecked" portion simply being a descriptor of the skies, which is the main subject of the sentence.
Contunuing on, refer back to the Cosmology explained above. The entire universe in Greek Mythos Cosmology is grouped as one big thing, called the Firmament. And so, when the "star-flecked skies" are mentioned, this is simply another way of saying that the sword created the Firmament of the Stars. And we know it is a safe assumption to say that Glory of Heracles's universe is around as big as our own.
Creating the Firmament, in simplest terms, means that Uranus's Sword created the universe: Universe level (3-A)
Nobody scales except Icarus himself when directly wielding the sword, although he does not scale when he isn't. Uranus also would scale due to having created this blade. Much like the Celestial Dagger, nobody else likely scales. Wielding this sword also scales Icarus's durability to 3-A as well, since wielding weapons in Glory of Heracles raises a character's Defense stat appropriately.