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Introduction

So after doing original Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Super, Dragon Ball GT, I now must do Dragon Ball Heroes/Dragon Ball Xenoverse, as the tiering we have is far different from literally any other website that scales this verse. This will also deal with the speed arguments cause jesus christ.

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Cosmology of Heroes/Xenoverse

Now people will try to argue for the Xenoverse/Heroes multiverse being infinite in size because there's a statement of history having a limitless branch, "はあ... 歴史について学んでも学んでも... キリがないな... 頭が痛くなるぜ...! = Hah...If you learned or not about history...[you know] it doesn't make sense....my head is going to start hurting. まあ 歴史なんて 無限に枝分かれしてるうえにどの歴史がどう正しいかなんてわからないしね.. = History is infinitely branched out...I don't know which one is right [after a while]..", I don't really see to this day how this is enough to prove infinite, this seems to prove ad infinitium, a term lost to time I guess, but what further supports this term is in reference to ad infintium is the time nest itself, it is directly noted all of this alternate histories are put into the time nest and it has a limit it can reach, thus meaning that there's not actually infinite existing timelines, there's just an countless amount of them being made overtime.

So with that out of the way we know now the best they would get with this would be 2-B. But let's go even further.

Dragon Ball Heroes

We'll start with Dragon Ball Heroes first.

Dark Shenron warped all space-time/timelines with his mere presence

The statement comes from this thing, reading through this entire scene and ignoring the parts that aren't quotations because that's the interpretation of the person using this feat, this is merely Space-Time Manipulation, where Dark Shenron is just bringing people from other timelines into the current one. There's no Attack Potency here cause literally nothing is quantifiable, nothing even proves he warped ALL space-times, we just know he's bringing in warriors from other time periods and Bardock was one of them, that was about it. So this feat is defo not usable.

Mechikabura absrobs the entirety of time and history into his own body

Ths feat comes from Chapters 16-17 of Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Dark Demon Realm Mission!, and basically there's as usual, context missing, firstly Mechikabura did not absorb the entirety of time and history, he was in the process of swallowing histories, and wasn't even close to being done, we can further tell this as when they're pulled out of Mechikabura, the place they're in still has stars in the sky, and characters come from a portal from another time period finding the key sword there. Not only is this an overtime feat that's via an swalloing/absorption feat, but Mechikabura wasn't even close to being done, we don't even know if he finished a single timeline yet since the histories shown are all events that happened in a singuar timeline. What further supports that he didn't even finish a single timeline is that during a later arc in SDBH, specifically the first cover of Volume 1, Chapter 4 of Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultra God Mission!!!!, where it directly says the worst crisis in SDBH history is the dissapearance of a space-time, meaning this crisis is even worse then Mechikabura.

Also Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Big Bang Mission directly has everyone get affected by the Big Bang, with universe tree amped Goku shooting out his own big bang to kill Fu, not killing all of the other people there specifically because Chronoa protected all of them. So it's pretty much shown they don't scale to this.

One could argue this statement where they say nothing remains, but reminder that "the world" isn't literally the entire multiverse, we even know this since the guy says "since the history Mechikaboola absorbed has also been sealed along with him, so we know he absorbed a singular piece of history, whether it was a timeline or just a part of time is up to interpretation, either way this would not be scalable.

Characters moving across time

This comes from basically the argument that the Dark Dragon Balls scattered across different points in history and people are amped by them therefore they scale to that and are thus Extra-Temporal. This doesn't work for one major reason, that's not the Dragon Ball's speed, that's them being scattered, we know further no one scales to this because no one in DBH is able to fly across timelines, they are always teleported/summoned around different time periods by Chronoa, through the use of portals or teleportation. They always use portal creation or teleportation to go to different time periods, no one can actually physically fly around different time periods in SDBH, this is the reason mind you why none of them can actually resist time related stuff without the "be strongerer" argument, because they're all still bound by time. Also just to add on to this, none of the demons were able to even catch the dragon balls when they scattered, they just flew off, if they were comparable in speed you'd think at the very least they'd catch them.

Dragon Ball Xenoverse

Demigra destroying multiverse

This is based on a feat where Demigra notes he was going to destroy the time vault which would destroy everything, the debunk is honestly in the scan, Chronoa straight up just said he's doing it through destroy the time vault and that he would die to this as well with Demigra agreeing. It's just a chain reaction feat that specifically requires him going to the time vault to do it, a place he normally can't even access.

Demigra absorbed Tokitoki who can hatch timelines and having complete control over time

Feat is basically what I said in title Demigra eats Tokitoki, gaining his powers, who can lay eggs that hatch timelines, and that he controls time and space. So the issue with this is one simple thing, it's all hax. Tokitoki isn't physically tier 2, he just can warp time which is how he lays those eggs. We know even further that Demigra isn't physically at 2-C either because of Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2, which introduces Final Form Mira, a threat that directly absorbed Tokitoki's egg, and he isn't comparable to Xenoverse 1 Tokitoki absorbed Demigra, he's STRONGER then him, he easily overpowered an on-guard Xenoverse 1 Future Warrior, who should be stronger then their end game Xenoverse 1 self, and this is even before he absorbed Tokitoki's egg, along with Towa being worried with the universe being destroyed and trying her hardest to stop Mira from overloading. Thus showing that Demigra is not physically meant to be 2-C.

Conclusion

I have not much else to say since this is the same thing, just stuff taken out of context.

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