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==Introduction==
==Introduction==
'''Observation''' is a concept in the main ''[[Megami Tensei]] multiverse'', it was a power given to humans by [[The Axiom]]. Characters from the ''Persona 3-5'' multiverse, have a similar ability known as [[Cognition]]. As described by [[Stephen (Shin Megami Tensei)|Stephen]], "observation" (sometimes described as "understanding") is the ability humans possess '''to give structure to the formless'''. In this instance, "observation" has nothing to do with sight, but rather human perception. It is an extension of the philosophical concept of "qualia," or individual, subjective experiences. For example, the sensation of seeing color is not easily communicated, yet something humanity possess a shared understanding of. Likewise, [[YHVH]] only exists because of this shared observation.
'''Observation''' is a concept in the main ''[[Megami Tensei]] multiverse'', it was a power given to humans by [[The Axiom]]. Characters from the ''Persona universe'', have a similar ability known as [[Cognition]] or "Rumors". As described by [[Stephen (Shin Megami Tensei)|Stephen]], "observation" (sometimes described as "understanding") is the ability humans possess '''to give structure to the formless'''. In this instance, "observation" has nothing to do with sight, but rather human perception. It is an extension of the philosophical concept of "qualia," or individual, subjective experiences. For example, the sensation of seeing color is not easily communicated, yet something humanity possess a shared understanding of. Likewise, [[YHVH]] only exists because of this shared observation.


[[YHVH]]'s Covenant was created by the Creator to bind humanity as slaves to God. This covenant makes humans too weak to not rely on his law or others, as well as making it difficult for people to make the concepts of gods be properly interpreted into words. This results in gods being distorted or easily reinterpreted into multiple faiths, such as Brigid becoming Saint Brigid, being demonized into forms like Beelzebub, or new gods born from the same concept such as Odin born from Dagda or Danu from Inanna.
[[YHVH]]'s Covenant was created by the Creator to bind humanity as slaves to God. This covenant makes humans too weak to not rely on his law or others, as well as making it difficult for people to make the concepts of gods be properly interpreted into words. This results in gods being distorted or easily reinterpreted into multiple faiths, such as Brigid becoming Saint Brigid, being demonized into forms like Beelzebub, or new gods born from the same concept such as Odin born from Dagda or Danu from Inanna.
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==Abilities==
==Abilities==
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*'''[[Observation]]:''' Varies between Unconscious Manifestation & Concious Manifestation; [https://youtu.be/i1YhCwcb3GM?t=1194 Observation users consciously and unconsciously change truths around them creating Gods and demons from myths and rumors].
*'''[[Observation]]:''' Varies between Unconscious Manifestation & Concious Manifestation; [https://youtu.be/i1YhCwcb3GM?t=1194 Observation users consciously and unconsciously change truths around them creating Gods and demons from myths and rumors].


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*'''[[Negation]] of [[Abstract Existence]]:''' Type 1; [https://youtu.be/4haQ5T9DoWk?list=PLDwjEcGRHRZ7pABsyzZ6bOKGshMroT93E&t=881 Demons embody the phenomena and beliefs of humans, with their physical forms only being created due to humanity's observation locking them into these forms], [https://youtu.be/mU1bTqbGlDg?t=364 and their true forms existing as the phenomena and beliefs they reside in].
*'''[[Negation]] of [[Abstract Existence]]:''' Type 1; [https://youtu.be/4haQ5T9DoWk?list=PLDwjEcGRHRZ7pABsyzZ6bOKGshMroT93E&t=881 Demons embody the phenomena and beliefs of humans, with their physical forms only being created due to humanity's observation locking them into these forms], [https://youtu.be/mU1bTqbGlDg?t=364 and their true forms existing as the phenomena and beliefs they reside in].


*'''[[Negation]] of [[Acausality]]:''' Causality Immunity; Can harm and kill demons, [https://youtu.be/wPbwO_83Vv0?t=146 who are natural residents of] The Expanse, [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 a place that transcends the past, present, and future] [https://youtu.be/defQEm2-A3g?t=98 of the multiverse], [https://youtu.be/P-3HpFREL3E demons such as] Ishtar are capable of going into separate multiverses, [https://youtu.be/Rgz8XdoGSPQ along into the "real world"], [https://youtu.be/vt9F5SxUWZ4 demons such as] Demi-fiend, can exist in different universes asides from the original SMT 3 universe, [https://youtu.be/B3_OsqKXf1k?t=168 demons can exist even when the flow of time itself collapses and there is nothing left but a void].
*'''[[Negation]] of [[Acausality]]:''' '''Causality Immunity;''' Can harm and kill demons, [https://youtu.be/wPbwO_83Vv0?t=146 who are natural residents of] The Expanse, [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 a place that transcends the past, present, and future] [https://youtu.be/defQEm2-A3g?t=98 of the multiverse], [https://youtu.be/P-3HpFREL3E demons such as] Ishtar are capable of going into separate multiverses, [https://youtu.be/Rgz8XdoGSPQ along into the "real world"], [https://youtu.be/vt9F5SxUWZ4 demons such as] Demi-fiend, can exist in different universes asides from the original SMT 3 universe, [https://youtu.be/B3_OsqKXf1k?t=168 demons can exist even when the flow of time itself collapses and there is nothing left but a void].


*'''[[Negation]] of [[Invulnerability]]:''' Metaphysical Invulnerability; Observation users such as Raidou Kuzunoha the XIV, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx5b3hFhTCQ&list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=256s can harm demons with regular guns and swords], [https://twitter.com/attack_dat/status/1498153392740311047 even though demons when brought into corporeal forms cannot be harmed by conventional weaponry], along with military grade weaponry.<ref>[http://ddstranslation.blogspot.com/2007/03/part-2-chapter-4.html Digital Devil Story 2: Warrior of the Demon City Part 7, Chapter 2] "A deafening explosion broke Nakajima's concentration. A star-mark-adorned F-14 jet divebombed, slicing through the clouds. Nakajima all of a sudden found himself hovering over a battlefield. Below him was a hair-raising sight. An unbelieveably large lump of flesh, a hideous tower of raw meat, was slowly writhing. Its pale green, transparent gelatinous membrane was greedily expanding at its base. Several long black rivers flowed into it. No, what looked like black rivers were actually the hair of the people heading toward the tower. Tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people tore off their clothes and proceeded forward completely naked. Rapid explosions echoed through the air. The SDF's F14 jets scrambled from the 7th fleet were attacking, targeting the top of the tower so as to minimize injury to the humans below. A rain of bullets from an attack helicopter's machine guns sprayed through the air. Though that ammunition was capable of penetrating tank armor, it was absorbed without any resistance into the body of the ever-expanding otherworldly creature, as if it was laughing at the pathetic attack. It was almost as if it was trying to prove that any attacks against it would be futile."</ref>
*'''[[Negation]] of [[Invulnerability]]:''' '''Metaphysical Invulnerability;''' Observation users such as Raidou Kuzunoha the XIV, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx5b3hFhTCQ&list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=256s can harm demons with regular guns and swords], [https://twitter.com/attack_dat/status/1498153392740311047 even though demons when brought into corporeal forms cannot be harmed by conventional weaponry], along with military grade weaponry.<ref>[http://ddstranslation.blogspot.com/2007/03/part-2-chapter-4.html Digital Devil Story 2: Warrior of the Demon City Part 7, Chapter 2] "A deafening explosion broke Nakajima's concentration. A star-mark-adorned F-14 jet divebombed, slicing through the clouds. Nakajima all of a sudden found himself hovering over a battlefield. Below him was a hair-raising sight. An unbelieveably large lump of flesh, a hideous tower of raw meat, was slowly writhing. Its pale green, transparent gelatinous membrane was greedily expanding at its base. Several long black rivers flowed into it. No, what looked like black rivers were actually the hair of the people heading toward the tower. Tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people tore off their clothes and proceeded forward completely naked. Rapid explosions echoed through the air. The SDF's F14 jets scrambled from the 7th fleet were attacking, targeting the top of the tower so as to minimize injury to the humans below. A rain of bullets from an attack helicopter's machine guns sprayed through the air. Though that ammunition was capable of penetrating tank armor, it was absorbed without any resistance into the body of the ever-expanding otherworldly creature, as if it was laughing at the pathetic attack. It was almost as if it was trying to prove that any attacks against it would be futile."</ref>


*'''[[Resurrection]]''' '''[[Negation]]''' (Atemporal Resurrection) & '''[[Immortality Negation]]''' (Ageless, Life and Death Immunity, & Reliance [On System & On Concept]):''' [https://youtu.be/32JBhIqNhEM?t=410 It is noted by] Lucifer that only a human can kill gods and demons, [https://youtu.be/32JBhIqNhEM?t=426 that when gods and demons try to fight each other the most they can do is seal each other]. [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=2329 Permanently killed] [[YHVH]]. [https://youtu.be/uf4wQ8MsBgc?t=1050 All demons are reliant on the observation of humans to keep them existing], [https://youtu.be/Py_0MoClWdY?t=52 including even nonexistent demons such as] The White, [https://youtu.be/uf4wQ8MsBgc?t=345 allowing them to come back even if they’re erased from existence and nonexistence]. [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=2438 Along with this, all demons that die return to] [[The Axiom]] and reincarnate. [https://youtu.be/Blfd0N2E2TQ?t=259 This allows demons to die] [https://youtu.be/Uwz652XkLGg and come back in a short timeframe] due to their continuous existence from [[The Axiom]] and the observation of humans. This means even if all of reality were to cease existing, [[The Axiom]] would still exist within it, allowing demons to come back.
*'''[[Resurrection]]''' '''[[Negation]]''' (Atemporal Resurrection) & '''[[Immortality Negation]]''' (Ageless, Life and Death Immunity, & Reliance [On Concept]):''' Ageless, Life and Death Immunity, & Reliance [On Concept]) & '''[[Resurrection]]''' ('''Atemporal Resurrection;''' [https://youtu.be/32JBhIqNhEM?t=410 It is noted by] Lucifer that only a human can kill gods and demons, [https://youtu.be/32JBhIqNhEM?t=426 that when gods and demons try to fight each other the most they can do is seal each other]. [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=2329 Permanently killed] [[YHVH]]. [https://youtu.be/uf4wQ8MsBgc?t=1050 All demons are reliant on the observation of humans to keep them existing], [https://youtu.be/Py_0MoClWdY?t=52 including even nonexistent demons such as] The White, [https://youtu.be/uf4wQ8MsBgc?t=345 allowing them to come back even if they’re erased from existence and nonexistence].


*'''[[Negation]] of [[Dimensionless Existence]]:''' Non-Dimensional; [https://youtu.be/4haQ5T9DoWk?list=PLDwjEcGRHRZ7pABsyzZ6bOKGshMroT93E&t=881 Demons only have "forms" due to the observation of humanity] [https://youtu.be/CF9IHP0s0B4?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=1053 with even some demons being in the lowest form of humanity's observation making them unseeable without help], the "true forms" of demons are in truth [https://youtu.be/6064HUSmlT8?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=1150 without the concept of form], without observation [https://youtu.be/i1YhCwcb3GM?t=1155 they are not certain nor stable], [https://youtu.be/i1YhCwcb3GM?t=1155 are a phenomena without an answer] [https://youtu.be/i1YhCwcb3GM?t=1194 and are unbound by concepts such as truth] [https://youtu.be/defQEm2-A3g?t=1433 completely unshaped by reality]. [https://youtu.be/spraSlJLBXc?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=525 Demons under their observation forms embody concepts such as infinity] which they are free from in their true forms.
*'''[[Negation]] of [[Dimensionless Existence]]:''' Non-Dimensional; [https://youtu.be/4haQ5T9DoWk?list=PLDwjEcGRHRZ7pABsyzZ6bOKGshMroT93E&t=881 Demons only have "forms" due to the observation of humanity] [https://youtu.be/CF9IHP0s0B4?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=1053 with even some demons being in the lowest form of humanity's observation making them unseeable without help], the "true forms" of demons are in truth [https://youtu.be/6064HUSmlT8?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=1150 without the concept of form], without observation [https://youtu.be/i1YhCwcb3GM?t=1155 they are not certain nor stable], [https://youtu.be/i1YhCwcb3GM?t=1155 are a phenomena without an answer] [https://youtu.be/i1YhCwcb3GM?t=1194 and are unbound by concepts such as truth] [https://youtu.be/defQEm2-A3g?t=1433 completely unshaped by reality]. [https://youtu.be/spraSlJLBXc?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=525 Demons under their observation forms embody concepts such as infinity] which they are free from in their true forms.
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==Trivia==
==Trivia==
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*The concept of Observation and Understanding was once brought up in an interview for ''Shin Megami Tensei II'' to explain how the Expanse inspired Jewish Mysticism and the Kabbalah.
*The concept of Observation and Understanding was once brought up in an interview for ''Shin Megami Tensei II'' to explain how the Expanse inspired Jewish Mysticism and the Kabbalah.
**Though it is stated to be a specific ability only Humans have, the three insane Cardinal Archangels from ''Shin Megami Tensei II'' observe a "[[Fake YHVH]]" into existence through their collective madness. The Final Bosses of ''DemiKids Dark Version'', ''Light Version'', and ''Devil Children Fire/Ice Book'' were born from feeding off the collective suffering of humans and demons alike and sought to fuel their existence by spreading more suffering to both species.
**Though it is stated to be a specific ability only Humans have, the three insane Cardinal Archangels from ''Shin Megami Tensei II'' observe a "[[Fake YHVH]]" into existence through their collective madness. The Final Bosses of ''DemiKids Dark Version'', ''Light Version'', and ''Devil Children Fire/Ice Book'' were born from feeding off the collective suffering of humans and demons alike and sought to fuel their existence by spreading more suffering to both species.

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Articles About Observation in Megami Tensei
Series Shin Megami Tensei - Persona

Introduction

Observation is a concept in the main Megami Tensei multiverse, it was a power given to humans by The Axiom. Characters from the Persona universe, have a similar ability known as Cognition or "Rumors". As described by Stephen, "observation" (sometimes described as "understanding") is the ability humans possess to give structure to the formless. In this instance, "observation" has nothing to do with sight, but rather human perception. It is an extension of the philosophical concept of "qualia," or individual, subjective experiences. For example, the sensation of seeing color is not easily communicated, yet something humanity possess a shared understanding of. Likewise, YHVH only exists because of this shared observation.

YHVH's Covenant was created by the Creator to bind humanity as slaves to God. This covenant makes humans too weak to not rely on his law or others, as well as making it difficult for people to make the concepts of gods be properly interpreted into words. This results in gods being distorted or easily reinterpreted into multiple faiths, such as Brigid becoming Saint Brigid, being demonized into forms like Beelzebub, or new gods born from the same concept such as Odin born from Dagda or Danu from Inanna.

The Divine Powers' goal for the new universe and humanity's souls is to create a great singularity with Krishna, becoming a Mini-Axiom who then distributes the souls equally amongst the gods. Their goal is to make a world where the gods are all worshiped equally. Krishna's personal goal, in doing this, is to eventually teach humanity to become part of a Great Singularity possibly a reference to the Hindu version of Enlightenment, in which humans surpass the three worlds (heaven, hell, and earth) to become one with the all-pervading existence.

Dagda and the Anarchy-Neutral route's ultimate goal is to make Observation redundant by transforming humanity into gods with an inherent understanding of the world so that they will never rely on others as a crutch and be more individualistic and free. Gods would then remain as their original form as part of The Axiom and nature, never properly returning, though it does not stop demons of other universes from appearing. Due to the fundamental changes brought to humanity under their Creator Nanashi and their mother Goddess, this strongly advocates transhumanism.

In the final battle with YHVH in YHVH's Universe he is degraded via Observation by denying his truths, demonizing him into a mere demon who reveals that he seeks nothing more than worship and praise, the real truth behind all his actions.

Abilities

Resistances

Trivia

  • The concept of Observation and Understanding was once brought up in an interview for Shin Megami Tensei II to explain how the Expanse inspired Jewish Mysticism and the Kabbalah.
    • Though it is stated to be a specific ability only Humans have, the three insane Cardinal Archangels from Shin Megami Tensei II observe a "Fake YHVH" into existence through their collective madness. The Final Bosses of DemiKids Dark Version, Light Version, and Devil Children Fire/Ice Book were born from feeding off the collective suffering of humans and demons alike and sought to fuel their existence by spreading more suffering to both species.
  • Like Magnetite, Observation has a real-world equivalent, in the Observer effect of quantum mechanics, where observing something changes it, such as with Wave function collapse, where the act of observation causes reality to "choose" between several possibilities which all existed simultaneously prior to being observed.
  • The Persona series possesses an equivalent to Observation - "Cognition," which is a term and major plot point in Persona 5, where mental perceptions can warp one's desires and create the dungeons known as Palaces.

References

  1. Digital Devil Story 2: Warrior of the Demon City Part 7, Chapter 2 "A deafening explosion broke Nakajima's concentration. A star-mark-adorned F-14 jet divebombed, slicing through the clouds. Nakajima all of a sudden found himself hovering over a battlefield. Below him was a hair-raising sight. An unbelieveably large lump of flesh, a hideous tower of raw meat, was slowly writhing. Its pale green, transparent gelatinous membrane was greedily expanding at its base. Several long black rivers flowed into it. No, what looked like black rivers were actually the hair of the people heading toward the tower. Tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people tore off their clothes and proceeded forward completely naked. Rapid explosions echoed through the air. The SDF's F14 jets scrambled from the 7th fleet were attacking, targeting the top of the tower so as to minimize injury to the humans below. A rain of bullets from an attack helicopter's machine guns sprayed through the air. Though that ammunition was capable of penetrating tank armor, it was absorbed without any resistance into the body of the ever-expanding otherworldly creature, as if it was laughing at the pathetic attack. It was almost as if it was trying to prove that any attacks against it would be futile."
  2. Narisawa: Now, let’s change the subject. I’d like to talk about the Abyss or the demon areas. This time the Abyss is designed like the Sephiroth Tree. We need to read the strategy guide in order to understand that, but is this how you originally envisioned it?
    Okada: I said earlier that Tokyo Millenium and the Underworld are in contrast but generally speaking, their opposite is the Abyss. It’s like saying Lucifer is Satan’s opposite.
    Narisawa: Kabbalah is a secret formula that belongs to humans, so how do you explain Lucifer using it to design the Abyss?
    Itou: That is why we have opposites. We can consider the possibility of humans being the ones who were influenced. We don’t know whether they saw the Abyss’s design after a near-death experience or were telepathically struck by some waves, but if pushed to say, the Kabbalah that’s transmitted through the world right now could be a representation of what they “saw”.
    Narisawa: It’s a reversal.