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==Introduction==
[[File:Valere Sea of Stars Official Render.png|right|425px]]
As of now, a majority of people have this idea that Todd is the most powerful Scott Pilgrim character and that nobody scales to him. This blog is here to debunk this idea since it's getting increasingly annoying facing the same arguments over and over again. If anyone has any disagreements with this blog, '''please''' share your thoughts and refutes in the comments.
{{Quote|I wouldn’t overthink it. Prophecies are not swayed by the attention we give them.|Valere to [[Zale (Sea of Stars)|Zale]]}}
==Background==
'''Valere''' is one of the main protagonists of ''Sea of Stars'' and is a Solstice Warrior. Born on the Winter Solstice, Valere trained most of her life to become a follower of Luana and would become a lunar monk. Upon finishing their training, Valere and [[Zale (Sea of Stars)|Zale]] were sent to Wraith Island to meet up with fellow remaining Solstice Warriors, [[Headmaster Moraine]], [[Erlina (Sea of Stars)|Erlina]], and [[Brugaves (Sea of Stars)|Brugaves]], to defeat the Dweller of Woe.


==Author and Official Statements==
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===Clash at Demonhead Extras===
! style="text-align:left;" |This dropdown contains the synopsis of Valere's story. Read at your own risk as you may be spoiled otherwise!
To start, we have [http://imgur.com/gallery/TCms2HM Todd's character draft description]. This comes from the extra content pages in volume 2 about Clash At Demonhead where it states
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Valere was born on the Winter Solstice that took place shortly after the battle between the Solstice Warriors and Dweller of Strife, and was one of two Solstice Children born. Valere grew up and was raised for nearly the first decade of her life in the secluded town of Mooncradle, where she would train with Zale and Garl around the town in preparation for their Solstice Training.


{{Quote|He turned out to be bigger, stronger, and more powerful than Scott, but equally dumb, or even dumber.}}
After an expedition outside of Mooncradle, [[Brugaves (Sea of Stars)|Brugaves]] and [[Erlina (Sea of Stars)|Erlina]] greet Valere and Zale and test their physical and magical growth before meeting with [[Headmaster Moraine (Sea of Stars)|Headmaster Moraine]]. This encourages Valere, Zale, and Garl to approach the Forbidden Cavern Gate and open it with their small amount of magic.


[[File:The Clash At Demonhead Charater Drafts.jpg|400px]]
Having successfully opened the gateway entrance, the three children enter the cavern with the hopes of impressing the Headmaster. This unfortunately proved to be a big mistake, as monsters swarmed and overwhelmed the three. In an attempt to protect Zale while he tried to use offensive magic, Garl was impaled in the eye by one of the hostile creatures, permanently blinding his left eye.
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==General Information==
'''Name:''' Valere


Now there are several issues with this that I feel a lot of people blatantly ignore or just don't understand. For starters, the actual context of this statement refers to Todd's [http://imgur.com/gallery/HmS0ZUI telekinetic] [http://imgur.com/gallery/KvZHbaf ranged] [http://imgur.com/gallery/Rq2xxO0 abilities]. Todd doesn't actually ever fight Scott physically and just uses his ranged abilities. In both instances shown here, Scott misses and Todd responds by throwing him with his telekinesis. At best, this proves Todd has superior lifting strength, which means nothing in comparison to both's raw attack potency.
'''Origin:''' [[The Messenger#Sea_of_Stars|Sea of Stars]]


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'''First Appearance:''' Sea of Stars
File:Todd Fight 1-1.jpg|Scott begins to throw a punch
File:Todd Fight 1-2.jpg|Todd dodges and activates his vegan powers
File:Todd Fight 1-3.jpg|Todd telekinetically restrains Scott
File:Todd Fight 1-4.jpg|Then he begins to lift Scott in the air, choking him
File:Todd Fight 1-5.jpg|Todd then proceeds to throw Scott through the wall
File:Todd Fight 1-6.jpg|He explains how vegan powers work to Scott and co
</gallery>


Secondly, as shown in the first scan, Todd goes out of his way to dodge Scott's punches. While this could be because he finds getting hit annoying, [http://imgur.com/gallery/q4jB6cM several other instances in the volume] [http://imgur.com/gallery/2TdifLw show otherwise]. Him dodging these attacks are because he is more than aware of how strong Scott and co is, which directly affects how he chooses to fight Scott (Something Scott even says himself).
'''Latest Appearance:'''


<gallery type="slideshow" widths="400" position="center">
'''Company:''' Sabotage Studio
File:Todd Fight 3-1.jpg|Envy kicks Todd in the balls
File:Todd Fight 3-2.jpg|Todd then blasts Envy back with an energy beam
File:Todd Fight 3-3.jpg|Scott then lands a successful blow on Todd with his guitar
</gallery>


Another thing to point out about the second statement is that O’Malley compares them to Ryu and Ken, who are rivals around the same level of power, so all this would imply is that Todd is somewhat more powerful, but not to an extent that would put him above Scott’s league by entire tiers, which is shown towards the ending of volume three.
'''Creator:''' Bryce Kho


===Bryan's Tumblr Statement===
'''Sex:''' Female
Next off, we have [https://radiomaru.tumblr.com/post/46266669758/how-come-todd-ingram-didnt-kill-scott-in-the Bryan's statement from tumbler which is fairly similar to the first one]


{{Quote|Matthew went all-out because he sucks. Todd would never go all-out. If he went all-out, he wouldn’t be Todd. Todd is a smarmy jerk who wants to toy with Scott and feel cool and superior without trying. That’s the point of Todd.|Bryan's Answer}}
'''Sexuality:''' '''Unknown'''


[[File:Bryan's Tumblr Answer Scott Pilgrim.jpg|center|235px]]
'''Pronouns:''' She/Her


First off, let's take a look at the original question here.
'''Story Role:''' Hero/Main Protagonist


{{Quote|''"How come Todd Ingram didn't kill Scott in the beginning of volume 3? If he can punch a hole in the moon, couldn't he have finished off Scott the moment they met? At least Matthew Patel made the effort to go all-out in their first meeting.}}
'''Age:''' 18-19


So based on the way the commenter views Todd, it's clear he doesn't see Scott as any more than an average joe who happens to know martial arts, which Bryan seems to follow along with. So by accepting what Bryan says about Todd, you alternatively accept Scott as an average human martial artist.
'''Residence:''' Mooncradle


''"That's a massive assumption on your end. We don't know what either Bryan or the reader are thinking."''
'''Classification:''' Lunar Monk, Luana


To a degree, this is true. However, we are expecting a casual reader and author to understand vs debating rules such as tiers, area of effect, scaling, and outliers. Of course they're going to say the dude who makes massive explosions is stronger. Heck, our [https://debatesjungle.fandom.com/wiki/Creation_vs_Destruction#Disclaimer Creation vs Destruction page paints this notion very clearly]. They don't even bother to mention some of the feats Matthew does that no normal person could physically do (We'll cover those later). Instead he decides to mock Matthew for it.
'''Species:''' Human, Winter Solstice Child


Furthermore, even if Bryan was right about his character's stats, his answer directly contradicts Todd's character. He's never shown to act cocky to the point of [http://imgur.com/gallery/q4jB6cM holding back to Scott's level] [http://imgur.com/gallery/JnNS3Ko or to torture Scott for fun], nor has this been stated by him or anyone else (There are even times where Todd is putting a significant amount of effort into competing against Scott).
'''[[State of Being]]:''' '''Regular''' prior to her ascension, '''[[Enlightenment]]''' after her ascension


<gallery type="slideshow" widths="400" position="center">
'''[[Physiology]]:''' '''Humanoid Physiology'''
File:Todd Fight 3-6.jpg|Crash and the Boys block Todd's attack
File:Todd Fight 3-7.jpg|Scott then jumps forward and strikes at Todd
File:Todd Fight 3-8.jpg|Todd blocks the attack and sends a shockwave, sending everyone flying flying
</gallery>


Funny enough, who Bryan was really referring to in this question was Envy, who wanted to torment Scott for the sake of pleasure. It even says at the beginning of the volume that Todd [http://imgur.com/gallery/MogzfCc doesn't want to make Scott suffer and just wants to end the fight as soon as possible]. And as shown later, this is not because Todd thinks Scott is a joke in terms of physical abilities.
'''Occupation:''' Solstice Warrior, Lunar Monk, Follower of Luana


[[File:Scott Pilgrim Volume 3 Black Boxes.jpg|center|235px]]
'''Affiliations:'''


So not only is Bryan's answer a bad representation of the character's physical stats and mockery to some of his characters, he outright contradicts the morality of the antagonist for this volume, which is blatant [https://allthetropes.fandom.com/wiki/Death_of_the_Author Death of the Author], moving on.
'''Enemies:'''


==Arguments against Scott Scaling==
'''[[Status]]:''' Has been both '''Alive''' and '''Deceased''' ([https://youtu.be/jIUMZfTeMh8?si=nRLDJFGA_CZny2nd&t=7465 Due to] [[Resh'an]] [https://youtu.be/nIJ0kak0PdY?si=YQb1KyxLbcOPDVMd&t=7129 having split the timeline into an infinitely expanding plethora of alternate timelines], [https://youtu.be/jIUMZfTeMh8?si=nRLDJFGA_CZny2nd&t=7356 there exist countless worlds where Valere and Zale failed to defeat the Dweller of Strife in combat], [https://youtu.be/nIJ0kak0PdY?si=YQb1KyxLbcOPDVMd&t=6645 with them only having stalemated it due to Resh'an getting involved in their conflict], [https://youtu.be/e8xp0hONji0?si=G24e0QJJ7W6PYFVf&t=4801 which furthered their journey and allowed them to ascend into Solen and Luana])
===Todd is only continental with his Vegan Powers===
I honestly have no idea where this idea spawned from (Pretty sure it originated from vsbw). It's established in the flashbacks that Todd [http://imgur.com/gallery/eyHqZVQ went to vegan academy in order to learn the ancient secrets of his people].


{{Quote|Soon enough, the boy had to leave for the faraway school where he would learn the ancient secrets of his people, The Vegans. There on the train platform, the boy and girl vowed Always To Be True and Never To Waver.|[[Envy Adams (Scott Pilgrim)|Envy Adams]]}}
'''[[Alignment]]:''' '''Neutral Good''' ([https://youtu.be/7fFx6Emvdso?si=cDUp0hI055anwhV0&t=2826 Valere is one who follows the path of Luana], [https://youtu.be/7fFx6Emvdso?si=yt25TjUED2156qJN&t=2252 and thus follows her intended destiny as a Solstice Warrior to forever protect her world]. [https://youtu.be/jIUMZfTeMh8?si=nKXV1qxXoER6B2WV&t=7349 She will often put her own life on the line in order to save others], [https://youtu.be/dZGEilGoCn4?si=aErqTjYD0haZIEPB&t=6459 and even crossed the Sea of Stars in order to save Seraï's world and face the Fleshmancer]. [https://youtu.be/oKXutBL0UL8?si=x6afaj92MG9MrOJA&t=5310 Helped relocate the people of Port Town of Brisk when the Dweller of Strife was resurrected and saved countless lives]. [https://youtu.be/6yI1OII1AW4?si=IjDPepe3z_O66svM Defeated every dweller] [https://youtu.be/G-5Jn_zGys4?si=QrtcQ82dc92wvTme in her own world] [https://youtu.be/19pAsZ8VrDY?si=2yVdd8Y6VrFh8w3o and Seraï's world], [https://youtu.be/jIUMZfTeMh8?si=nKXV1qxXoER6B2WV&t=7349 therefore saving the lives of everyone from their terror had they turned into World Eaters]. [https://youtu.be/dZGEilGoCn4?si=AGcE9dmxZGoL5cws&t=720 Alongside Garl in his dying moments], [https://youtu.be/dZGEilGoCn4?si=-YyZchWq8ulHVATV&t=5119 Valere helped wake and pacify The Sleeper from its destructive ways])


[[File:Envy Flashback 1-3.jpg|center|235px]]
'''[[Protection Level]]:''' '''Multiversal Protector''' (Not only defeated all the Dwellers in her timeline, but also bested the Dweller of Dread in Seraï's timeline, and later bested the Fleshmancer who is a threat to the entire multiverse)


''"But we see the energy from Todd's vegan powers when he punches the moon, that makes your previous argument irrelevant."''
==Codex Statistics==
'''Key:''' '''Child''' | '''Pre-Awakening''' |'''Post-Awakening''' | '''Luana'''


No we do not. We see the shockwave created from his punch before it hits the planet. And why are we suddenly throwing out the already established timeline for this incredibly small "if"? The only thing established in the flashbacks hinting this is that Todd was [http://imgur.com/gallery/2crSdK4 already a vegan], which is what's '''required''' to even get into Vegan Academy in the first place.
'''[[Tiering System|Tier]]:''' '''10-C''', '''Higher''' with Magic | At least '''9-B''', '''Higher''' with Magic, '''Unknown''' when empowered by a solar eclipse | '''5-B''', '''Higher''' when transformed | '''Unknown'''


[[File:Ramona Flashback 1-1.jpg|center|235px]]
'''[[Dimensionality]]:''' '''3-D'''


Furthermore, the vegan powers have to be manually acquired from outside sources. This was the [http://imgur.com/gallery/2WbCGFL entire reason why he had his powers taken away from the Vegan Police]. So even if he went to Vegan Academy to screw around, he still couldn't have had them in high school. Heck, even if he did, we see [https://youtu.be/vqqGZBRBLcM?t=1m08s his hair isn't even standing up during the process] as shown in the movie (The movie is viable to use here as the feat is a direct recreation of the comic's take and [https://scottpilgrim.fandom.com/wiki/Bryan_Lee_O%27Malley#:~:text=He%20is%20currently%20writing%20the,and%20published%20by%20Image%20Comics.&text=O'Malley%20also%20helped%20Edgar,as%20Lee's%20Palace%20Bar%20patrons Bryan worked on the script during this time]).
'''[[Attack Potency]]:''' '''Below Average Human level''' ([https://youtu.be/7fFx6Emvdso?si=7HCM7disgtYJe8AF&t=900 At this point in her life], [https://youtu.be/7fFx6Emvdso?si=RkRmvjJoOqw8qENM&t=748 Valere has only just begun using magic and is physically just a young girl]), '''Higher''' with magic ([https://youtu.be/7fFx6Emvdso?si=3_tRn6ZJXiZUuRx0&t=5943 Magic in Sea of Stars can amplify the user's power output in combat]) | At least '''Wall level''' ([https://youtu.be/7fFx6Emvdso?si=obFIGt2ZUwvsggA9&t=1764 Valere and Zale have now trained for nearly a decade of their lives] [https://youtu.be/7fFx6Emvdso?si=YqU0wBa9j3LSF9yV&t=6677 and have grown far stronger to the point of being deemed Solstice Warriors by the Elder Mist], [https://youtu.be/7fFx6Emvdso?si=oNYBcMmcqS7N9MJc&t=3412 and were able to fight and defeat the Bosslug which can shake the entire cavern]. [https://youtu.be/7fFx6Emvdso?si=vxUII2VjU4D7Bqsl&t=4142 Alongside Garl], [https://youtu.be/aj8RttIxhfE?si=Lzc6eoJlMzqVmUXd&t=5860 Valere and Zale were able to best Malkomud and his pet salamander Rockie], [https://youtu.be/aj8RttIxhfE?si=RIjvgpIBQyGYiAOh&t=4447 the latter of which can burrow through rock at high speeds]. [https://youtu.be/e8xp0hONji0?si=nHkDRgAVx0i-hNWH&t=1646 Can destroy reinforced metal walls with little difficulty]), '''Higher''' with [[Magic|magic]] ([https://youtu.be/7fFx6Emvdso?si=XlBnPMK2TSlobjF0&t=5786 After learning how to "Use magic without using magic"], [https://youtu.be/7fFx6Emvdso?si=3_tRn6ZJXiZUuRx0&t=5943 Valere learned how to physically empower and amplify her power in combat]) | '''Planet level''' ([https://youtu.be/e8xp0hONji0?si=8dbuGU9CuyR7Kqcb&t=4799 By this point in her journey], [https://youtu.be/e8xp0hONji0?si=4Q0Is0mgIlm6KKgv&t=3912 Valere and Zale have become fully connected to their potential and are powerful enough to best the Dweller of Dread without an eclipse to increase their power]. [https://youtu.be/e8xp0hONji0?si=BxkaT68s_UQV4tsK&t=4822 She and Zale together were able to pull the moon out of the ocean and back into space]. [https://youtu.be/f5-AWPdiMfQ?si=SYF5RpRRKmyo-IlF&t=4210 Defeated the Fleshmancer in the form of a World Eater], [ which are capable of consuming entire planets]) | '''Unknown''' ([ It is stated that once a Solstice Warrior ascends], [ their timeline is permanently saved with no force being able to oppose them], [ with the only known exception being to weaken their influence through the people's belief])


'''[[Durability]]:'''


<gallery type="slideshow" widths="400" position="center">
'''[[Striking Strength]]:'''
File:Vegan Police 1-1.jpg|The Vegan Police show up
File:Vegan Police 1-2.jpg|They explain Todd's charges
File:Vegan Police 1-3.jpg|Todd reveals he lied to keep his powers
File:Vegan Police 1-4.jpg|Todd tries to avoid the De-Veganizing Ray
</gallery>


===Todd is only continental physically===
'''[[Lifting Strength]]:'''
I don't really see how this debunks Scott scaling when it's shown and others can damage Todd. I'm assuming that this debunk hinges on those incidents being outliers which we'll touch later. So the first reason for the two not scaling is the difference in destructive radius. Now if we assume that area of effect damage equates to higher power, we are now accepting bullets being weaker than a human punch. Confused? Look no further than our [https://debatesjungle.fandom.com/wiki/Attack_Potency Attack potency Page].


{{Quote|To explain this, take a hypothetical example of someone punching through an interior wall vs. bullet being shot at an interior wall wall. If a bullet is shot at a wall, the wall would have a small hole go through it, however if a person punches through a wall, a big hole would be left in place due to the size of the hand, with the logic of ignoring one's energy output in place for area of effect, the person's punch would in that scenario be stronger then a bullet.}}
'''[[Speed|Travel Speed]]:'''  


<gallery type="slideshow" widths="400" position="center">
'''[[Speed|Combat Speed]]:'''
File:Wall.jpg|The size of bullet holes in a wall
File:Main-qimg-dce81bb13e15672bece644ec3d2b392f.jpg|The size of a hole made by a human fist
</gallery>


Real world logic debunks this mindset. But even if this wasn't the case, this argument would debunk 90% of arguments that involve scaling. Son Goku wouldn't even surpass planet since he doesn't destroy a planet, or effortlessly destroy the battlefield while fighting his opponents.
'''[[Reactions|Reaction Speed]]:'''


''"Even with all of this, where is it stated that Todd's powers are relative to his AP? You conveniently ignored that."''
'''[[Stamina]]:'''  


I don't know why we'd assume they're weaker than his base stats. Especially when this is the same Todd who went out of his way to earn these powers despite [http://imgur.com/gallery/2WbCGFL not obeying the rules for vegans], and has a mental breakdown when he loses them. Heck, he even uses the vegan powers as an [http://imgur.com/gallery/pC1mfNY extension of his own physical attacks]. It would be an even bigger assumption to assume they are conveniently weaker than Todd's stupidly casual continental AP.
'''[[Range]]:'''


[[File:Bass Battle SPvtW.jpg|235px]]
'''[[Intelligence]]:'''
[[File:Todd Fight 3-4.jpg|235px]]
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|-|General Intelligence=


===It's an outlier in the verse===
|-|Social Intelligence=
This is easily the most common argument against the scaling, and it mainly comes from people who have no understanding of what an outlier is. For a quick summary, outliers are abnormal inconsistencies commonly used in math (Surprise, this term wasn't invented by vs debaters). What people don't know is that feats [https://debatesjungle.fandom.com/wiki/Outlier#Common_Misconceptions_of_Outliers higher than utter casual feats demotes the outlier argument], since it's no longer an abnormal feat. I'll pull up a few feats in the volumes to prove this
====Matthew Patel punches through a wall====
The first feat


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|-|Combat Intelligence=


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== [[Powers and Techniques]] ==


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===[[Equipment]]===
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|-|Standard=
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{{!}}-{{!}}On Hand=


Ramona effortlessly tears a metal pole apart to block Knives' attack
{{!}}-{{!}}Equipment=


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|-|Optional=
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{{!}}-{{!}}One Use Equipment=


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Knives jumps several stories in seconds with ease
===Notable Techniques===
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==Other==


'''Standard Tactics:'''


'''Weaknesses:'''


==Explanations==


==Miscellaneous Feats==
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|-|Attack Potency=


|-|Durability=


|-|Lifting Strength=


Scott punches someone around the planet, which is backed up by Stephen Stills, which is done even prior to the series taking place:
|-|Striking Strength=


http://imgur.com/gallery/gGhiPBV
|-|Speed=
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And even Todd's moon feats are done with no difficulty and for absolutely no reason other than to express his emotions to Ramona/Envy:
|-|Movement=


http://imgur.com/gallery/0RU4mjK
|-|Agility=


|-|Miscellaneous=


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==Trivia==


==Gallery==


==Battle Records==
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|-|Victories=
None.


|-|Losses=
None.


|-|Inconclusive=
None.
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==References==
So the idea that Todd's feats are outliers is questionable at best and downright wrong at worse. Also worth noting is Gideon is downright unimpressed with Todd's vegan powers and can't even be bothered to remember how important they are, which only further sumits it's not an outlier
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Scott was losing against Todd the whole time
 
It's directly stated why and how Scott was losing, which came down to Todd's range which Scott directly says is his main issue:
 
http://imgur.com/gallery/JnNS3Ko
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
"I can't even get near him! I need some kind of...like...last minute, poorly-set-up Deux Ex Machina!"
 
 
 
That plus Scott's few blows actually hurting Todd + no-selling most of his attacks make it abundantly clear that Scott does scale.
 
 
 
Along with this, Gideon is all powerful within Ramona's head and is even called an "Ultradimensional super villain" in the extra character bios:
 
http://imgur.com/gallery/78s3dYH
 
 
 
 
 
Which further proves that Todd isn't just some oddball character who's leagues greater than the rest of the cast.
 
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Breaking down each of Scott's feats for Todd scaling
 
 
 
Scott no-sells a vegan nuke from an enraged Todd
 
The first major argument against this feat is that Todd only imploded Honest Eds, thus he wasn't using his full power or exerting continental levels of AP:
 
http://imgur.com/gallery/kNZykhE
 
 
 
Problem is area of effect doesn't equate to destructive capability. Otherwise characters like Mario should be destroying star systems with his jumps. We're scaling Todd's AP here off his previous feat. Mind you, him destroying Honest Eds was done with far more effort than both of his moon pulverization feats.
 
 
 
 
 
The next refute people like to make is that, because it was an implosion, Scott didn't actually tank anything from Todd himself.
 
 
 
However in the very next panel, we see Honest Eds cracking and swelling up with light pouring out of the seams as if an explosion inside was occurring.
 
 
 
 
 
How would the attack from Todd hit the walls and roof of Honest Eds while perfectly avoiding Scott? This wouldn't make any sense and is more likely that Scott was caught in the blow that collapsed the building.
 
 
 
With this, there should be no reason for Scott not to scale to Todd's implosion. This isn't even the only instance of Scott tanking a direct attack from Todd either as we'll get into later.
 
 
 
Scott hits Todd enough to make him bleed
 
Shown here near the end of the book:
 
http://imgur.com/gallery/q4jB6cM
 
 
 
 
 
Another clear as day feat for scaling. The first major refute is that due to Todd being off guard, his durability suddenly drops from Continental to Wall which objectively makes no sense.
 
 
 
People like to use the scene where Goku gets pierced by a laser far lower than his current tier as if Dragon Ball sets the standards for vs debating. Major issue with this, the Dragon Ball verse is a major false equivalence given how Ki works in-verse.
 
https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Ki#Ki_control
 
 
 
"Most beings cannot freely control their ki, but many who can manipulate it also learn to control the flow of ki within their bodies, allowing them to channel larger or smaller amounts of their ki reserves. In essence, they can adjust their strength to match the situation, and generate attacks which contain larger concentrations of ki than they are normally capable of. This ability is noted by Raditz when fighting Goku and Piccolo; whilst they had power levels of 416 and 408 respectively, their special attacks channelled such high levels of ki that they measured at 924 and 1,480. Despite being common amongst Earth's martial artists, this ability seems to be exceedingly rare in general, as the Frieza Force are continually surprised by the ability of Gohan, Krillin and the others to raise and suppress their power levels at will."
 
 
 
The only plausible explanation for something as dumb as a durability drop this massive is if his Vegan powers were like Ki and amplified his stats on command, which was adressed earlier on this blog.
 
 
 
Scott's other various feats of tanking Todd's attacks
 
There are several instances of Scott no-selling and clashing with Todd's attacks with the number one refute being Todd was holding back.
 
http://imgur.com/gallery/JnNS3Ko
 
http://imgur.com/gallery/pC1mfNY
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
At first, this seems like one of the few exceptions against Scott's scaling ignoring the original refute made against Todd holding back, however this is the same Todd who, while casually flying to the moon and punching a hole in it without the use of vegan powers, is going out of his way to dodge Scott's attacks:
 
http://imgur.com/gallery/0RU4mjK
 
http://imgur.com/gallery/HmS0ZUI
 
http://imgur.com/gallery/KvZHbaf
 
https://youtu.be/vqqGZBRBLcM?t=1m08s
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Not only is this odd for someone countless times higher than you to go out of their way to dodge your attacks, but he's even shown putting more effort into hurting Scott than he was when flying to the moon.
 
 
 
Scott Pilgrim's statement
 
So we've gone over the issues with Scott not scaling to Todd by showing several instances of Scott tanking and hurting Todd physically, and we addressed Bryan's statements.
 
 
 
And just to further establish Todd isn't the most powerful character in terms of physical stats, here Scott directly says each evil ex gets harder and harder each battle.
 
 
 
"Not that fighting harder and harder battles for your love is getting old or anything..."
 
 
 
Before anyone says this doesn't necessarily refer to stats, Matthew Patel is the most skilled ex prior to Roxie, which means it's not referring to Scott having his skill challenged. And it definitely doesn't mean strategy since Todd is considered dumber than Scott.
 
 
 
 
 
Lastly, Gideon one-shots a base Scott, who was the same Scott to beat Todd Ingram and is roughly comparable to him then. So they're definitely getting stronger:
 
http://imgur.com/gallery/1rmBpsX
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
This makes sense given Scott Pilgrim's laws are based and directly influenced by video games (I.e Save Points, Stat Boosts through food, leveling up, etcetera) with natural progression. So each boss being physically stronger than the last makes plenty of sense in the context of their world:
 
http://imgur.com/gallery/4voDQhv
 
http://imgur.com/gallery/3gv2nDu
 
http://imgur.com/gallery/vWzKMdI

Latest revision as of 06:00, 3 June 2024

I wouldn’t overthink it. Prophecies are not swayed by the attention we give them.
~ Valere to Zale

Background

Valere is one of the main protagonists of Sea of Stars and is a Solstice Warrior. Born on the Winter Solstice, Valere trained most of her life to become a follower of Luana and would become a lunar monk. Upon finishing their training, Valere and Zale were sent to Wraith Island to meet up with fellow remaining Solstice Warriors, Headmaster Moraine, Erlina, and Brugaves, to defeat the Dweller of Woe.

This dropdown contains the synopsis of Valere's story. Read at your own risk as you may be spoiled otherwise!

Early Life
Valere was born on the Winter Solstice that took place shortly after the battle between the Solstice Warriors and Dweller of Strife, and was one of two Solstice Children born. Valere grew up and was raised for nearly the first decade of her life in the secluded town of Mooncradle, where she would train with Zale and Garl around the town in preparation for their Solstice Training.

After an expedition outside of Mooncradle, Brugaves and Erlina greet Valere and Zale and test their physical and magical growth before meeting with Headmaster Moraine. This encourages Valere, Zale, and Garl to approach the Forbidden Cavern Gate and open it with their small amount of magic.

Having successfully opened the gateway entrance, the three children enter the cavern with the hopes of impressing the Headmaster. This unfortunately proved to be a big mistake, as monsters swarmed and overwhelmed the three. In an attempt to protect Zale while he tried to use offensive magic, Garl was impaled in the eye by one of the hostile creatures, permanently blinding his left eye.

General Information

Name: Valere

Origin: Sea of Stars

First Appearance: Sea of Stars

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Company: Sabotage Studio

Creator: Bryce Kho

Sex: Female

Sexuality: Unknown

Pronouns: She/Her

Story Role: Hero/Main Protagonist

Age: 18-19

Residence: Mooncradle

Classification: Lunar Monk, Luana

Species: Human, Winter Solstice Child

State of Being: Regular prior to her ascension, Enlightenment after her ascension

Physiology: Humanoid Physiology

Occupation: Solstice Warrior, Lunar Monk, Follower of Luana

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Status: Has been both Alive and Deceased (Due to Resh'an having split the timeline into an infinitely expanding plethora of alternate timelines, there exist countless worlds where Valere and Zale failed to defeat the Dweller of Strife in combat, with them only having stalemated it due to Resh'an getting involved in their conflict, which furthered their journey and allowed them to ascend into Solen and Luana)

Alignment: Neutral Good (Valere is one who follows the path of Luana, and thus follows her intended destiny as a Solstice Warrior to forever protect her world. She will often put her own life on the line in order to save others, and even crossed the Sea of Stars in order to save Seraï's world and face the Fleshmancer. Helped relocate the people of Port Town of Brisk when the Dweller of Strife was resurrected and saved countless lives. Defeated every dweller in her own world and Seraï's world, therefore saving the lives of everyone from their terror had they turned into World Eaters. Alongside Garl in his dying moments, Valere helped wake and pacify The Sleeper from its destructive ways)

Protection Level: Multiversal Protector (Not only defeated all the Dwellers in her timeline, but also bested the Dweller of Dread in Seraï's timeline, and later bested the Fleshmancer who is a threat to the entire multiverse)

Codex Statistics

Key: Child | Pre-Awakening |Post-Awakening | Luana

Tier: 10-C, Higher with Magic | At least 9-B, Higher with Magic, Unknown when empowered by a solar eclipse | 5-B, Higher when transformed | Unknown

Dimensionality: 3-D

Attack Potency: Below Average Human level (At this point in her life, Valere has only just begun using magic and is physically just a young girl), Higher with magic (Magic in Sea of Stars can amplify the user's power output in combat) | At least Wall level (Valere and Zale have now trained for nearly a decade of their lives and have grown far stronger to the point of being deemed Solstice Warriors by the Elder Mist, and were able to fight and defeat the Bosslug which can shake the entire cavern. Alongside Garl, Valere and Zale were able to best Malkomud and his pet salamander Rockie, the latter of which can burrow through rock at high speeds. Can destroy reinforced metal walls with little difficulty), Higher with magic (After learning how to "Use magic without using magic", Valere learned how to physically empower and amplify her power in combat) | Planet level (By this point in her journey, Valere and Zale have become fully connected to their potential and are powerful enough to best the Dweller of Dread without an eclipse to increase their power. She and Zale together were able to pull the moon out of the ocean and back into space. Defeated the Fleshmancer in the form of a World Eater, [ which are capable of consuming entire planets]) | Unknown ([ It is stated that once a Solstice Warrior ascends], [ their timeline is permanently saved with no force being able to oppose them], [ with the only known exception being to weaken their influence through the people's belief])

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