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'''[[Lifting Strength]]:''' '''Class M''', likely '''Higher''' (Superior to [[Son Goku|King Piccolo Saga Goku]], [https://imgur.com/a/COBCUk2 who fused his untapped potential with the Oozaru within him], [https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Power_Levels?so=search#Dragon_Ball making his power] [https://imgur.com/a/EQeLuPX tenfold above his previous self] [[User blog:GiverOfThePeace/Moving a boulder|who moved a giant boulder with a lot of effort]]) | '''[[Lifting Strength]]:''' '''Class M''', likely '''Higher''' (Superior to [[Son Goku|King Piccolo Saga Goku]], [https://imgur.com/a/COBCUk2 who fused his untapped potential with the Oozaru within him], [https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Power_Levels?so=search#Dragon_Ball making his power] [https://imgur.com/a/EQeLuPX tenfold above his previous self] [[User blog:GiverOfThePeace/Moving a boulder|who moved a giant boulder with a lot of effort]]) | ||
'''[[Speed|Travel Speed]]:''' | '''[[Speed|Travel Speed]]:''' '''Superhuman''' (Superior to [[Son Goku|Dragon Ball Saga Son Goku]]) | ||
'''[[Speed|Combat Speed]]:''' ''' | '''[[Speed|Combat Speed]]:''' '''High Hypersonic''' | ||
'''[[Reactions|Reaction Speed]]:''' ''' | '''[[Reactions|Reaction Speed]]:''' '''High Hypersonic''' (Far Beyond [[Son Goku|22nd Budokai Son Goku]], [https://imgur.com/a/whNkYH9 who could dodge a mouth blast from] [[Tambourine]], [https://imgur.com/a/KsNlH4z which he used to tag the flying nimbus] [https://imgur.com/a/HU1VQpI where even post King Kai training Goku used the flying nimbus to make it to the saiyans implying it is at least comparable to his flight speed by then], [https://imgur.com/a/gzwRzej with Goku being capable of traveling over a million of kilometers in two days] [[User_blog:GiverOfThePeace/Snake_Way_Travel_Speed|which results in these speeds]]. Should be far faster than Mercenary Tao, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxkfwXX46HY who stated that a jet would take too long and used his pillar], [https://www.britannica.com/technology/fighter-aircraft with fighter jets reaching up to 1000 mph]) | ||
'''[[Stamina]]:''' '''High''' (Saibamen are shown to be able to participate in a marathon fight with trained martial artists, although they do clearly get winded at times. They don't have any actual physical training) | '''[[Stamina]]:''' '''High''' (Saibamen are shown to be able to participate in a marathon fight with trained martial artists, although they do clearly get winded at times. They don't have any actual physical training) | ||
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'''[[Lifting Strength]]:''' '''Class M''', likely '''Higher''' (Superior to [[Son Goku|King Piccolo Saga Goku]], [https://imgur.com/a/COBCUk2 who fused his untapped potential with the Oozaru within him], [https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Power_Levels?so=search#Dragon_Ball making his power tenfold above his previous self] [[User blog:GiverOfThePeace/Moving a boulder|who moved a giant boulder with a lot of effort]]. [https://imgur.com/a/1oRTFSA Can casually lift his spaceship]) | '''[[Lifting Strength]]:''' '''Class M''', likely '''Higher''' (Superior to [[Son Goku|King Piccolo Saga Goku]], [https://imgur.com/a/COBCUk2 who fused his untapped potential with the Oozaru within him], [https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Power_Levels?so=search#Dragon_Ball making his power tenfold above his previous self] [[User blog:GiverOfThePeace/Moving a boulder|who moved a giant boulder with a lot of effort]]. [https://imgur.com/a/1oRTFSA Can casually lift his spaceship]) | ||
'''[[Speed|Travel Speed]]:''' | '''[[Speed|Travel Speed]]:''' '''Superhuman''' | ||
'''[[Speed|Combat Speed]]:''' ''' | '''[[Speed|Combat Speed]]:''' '''High Hypersonic''' | ||
'''[[Reactions|Reaction Speed]]:''' ''' | '''[[Reactions|Reaction Speed]]:''' '''High Hypersonic''' | ||
'''[[Stamina]]:''' '''High''' | '''[[Stamina]]:''' '''High''' | ||
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'''[[Lifting Strength]]:''' '''Class M''', likely '''Higher''' (Superior to [[Son Goku|King Piccolo Saga Goku]], [https://imgur.com/a/COBCUk2 who fused his untapped potential with the Oozaru within him], [https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Power_Levels?so=search#Dragon_Ball making his power tenfold above his previous self] [[User blog:GiverOfThePeace/Moving a boulder|who moved a giant boulder with a lot of effort]]. [https://imgur.com/a/1oRTFSA Can casually lift his spaceship]) | '''[[Lifting Strength]]:''' '''Class M''', likely '''Higher''' (Superior to [[Son Goku|King Piccolo Saga Goku]], [https://imgur.com/a/COBCUk2 who fused his untapped potential with the Oozaru within him], [https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Power_Levels?so=search#Dragon_Ball making his power tenfold above his previous self] [[User blog:GiverOfThePeace/Moving a boulder|who moved a giant boulder with a lot of effort]]. [https://imgur.com/a/1oRTFSA Can casually lift his spaceship]) | ||
'''[[Speed|Travel Speed]]:''' | '''[[Speed|Travel Speed]]:''' '''Superhuman''' | ||
'''[[Speed|Combat Speed]]:''' ''' | '''[[Speed|Combat Speed]]:''' '''High Hypersonic''' | ||
'''[[Reactions|Reaction Speed]]:''' ''' | '''[[Reactions|Reaction Speed]]:''' '''High Hypersonic''' | ||
'''[[Stamina]]:''' '''High''' | '''[[Stamina]]:''' '''High''' | ||
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'''[[Lifting Strength]]:''' '''Class M''', likely '''Higher''' (Superior to [[Son Goku|King Piccolo Saga Goku]], [https://imgur.com/a/COBCUk2 who fused his untapped potential with the Oozaru within him], [https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Power_Levels?so=search#Dragon_Ball making his power tenfold above his previous self] [[User blog:GiverOfThePeace/Moving a boulder|who moved a giant boulder with a lot of effort]]. [https://imgur.com/a/1oRTFSA Can casually lift his spaceship]) | '''[[Lifting Strength]]:''' '''Class M''', likely '''Higher''' (Superior to [[Son Goku|King Piccolo Saga Goku]], [https://imgur.com/a/COBCUk2 who fused his untapped potential with the Oozaru within him], [https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Power_Levels?so=search#Dragon_Ball making his power tenfold above his previous self] [[User blog:GiverOfThePeace/Moving a boulder|who moved a giant boulder with a lot of effort]]. [https://imgur.com/a/1oRTFSA Can casually lift his spaceship]) | ||
'''[[Speed|Travel Speed]]:''' | '''[[Speed|Travel Speed]]:''' '''Superhuman''' | ||
'''[[Speed|Combat Speed]]:''' ''' | '''[[Speed|Combat Speed]]:''' '''High Hypersonic''' | ||
'''[[Reactions|Reaction Speed]]:''' ''' | '''[[Reactions|Reaction Speed]]:''' '''High Hypersonic''' | ||
'''[[Stamina]]:''' '''High''' | '''[[Stamina]]:''' '''High''' | ||
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'''[[Lifting Strength]]:''' '''Class M''', likely '''Higher''' (Superior to [[Son Goku|King Piccolo Saga Goku]], [https://imgur.com/a/COBCUk2 who fused his untapped potential with the Oozaru within him], [https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Power_Levels?so=search#Dragon_Ball making his power tenfold above his previous self] [[User blog:GiverOfThePeace/Moving a boulder|who moved a giant boulder with a lot of effort]]. [https://imgur.com/a/1oRTFSA Can casually lift his spaceship]) | '''[[Lifting Strength]]:''' '''Class M''', likely '''Higher''' (Superior to [[Son Goku|King Piccolo Saga Goku]], [https://imgur.com/a/COBCUk2 who fused his untapped potential with the Oozaru within him], [https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Power_Levels?so=search#Dragon_Ball making his power tenfold above his previous self] [[User blog:GiverOfThePeace/Moving a boulder|who moved a giant boulder with a lot of effort]]. [https://imgur.com/a/1oRTFSA Can casually lift his spaceship]) | ||
'''[[Speed|Travel Speed]]:''' | '''[[Speed|Travel Speed]]:''' '''Superhuman''' | ||
'''[[Speed|Combat Speed]]:''' ''' | '''[[Speed|Combat Speed]]:''' '''High Hypersonic''' | ||
'''[[Reactions|Reaction Speed]]:''' ''' | '''[[Reactions|Reaction Speed]]:''' '''High Hypersonic''' | ||
'''[[Stamina]]:''' '''High''' (Saibamen are shown to be able to participate in a marathon fight with trained martial artists, although they do clearly get winded at times. They don't have any actual physical training) | '''[[Stamina]]:''' '''High''' (Saibamen are shown to be able to participate in a marathon fight with trained martial artists, although they do clearly get winded at times. They don't have any actual physical training) | ||
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'''[[Attack Potency]]:''' '''Moon level''' (A normal Copyman is as strong as a Saibaman), possibly '''Small Planet level''' as Fake Frieza (Although not as strong as the real Frieza, it was [https://youtu.be/caWFllcCJXc?t=398 able to at least contend with late Namek Saga Gohan]; Gohan [https://imgur.com/a/THLfTYx has a power level of 16000], putting him [https://imgur.com/a/hRGcLnl around Saiyan Saga Vegeta], [[User blog:GiverOfThePeace/Dragon Ball Power Levels#Saiyan Saga|whose power level is 44 times above BoZ Piccolo's power level]]) | '''[[Attack Potency]]:''' '''Moon level''' (A normal Copyman is as strong as a Saibaman), possibly '''Small Planet level''' as Fake Frieza (Although not as strong as the real Frieza, it was [https://youtu.be/caWFllcCJXc?t=398 able to at least contend with late Namek Saga Gohan]; Gohan [https://imgur.com/a/THLfTYx has a power level of 16000], putting him [https://imgur.com/a/hRGcLnl around Saiyan Saga Vegeta], [[User blog:GiverOfThePeace/Dragon Ball Power Levels#Saiyan Saga|whose power level is 44 times above BoZ Piccolo's power level]]) | ||
'''[[Speed|Travel Speed]]:''' At least ''' | '''[[Speed|Travel Speed]]:''' At least '''Superhuman''', possibly '''High Hypersonic''' as Fake Frieza (Should be faster than [[Son Goku|Saiyan Saga Son Goku]], [https://imgur.com/a/gzwRzej with Goku being capable of traveling over a million of kilometers in two days] [[User_blog:GiverOfThePeace/Snake_Way_Travel_Speed|which results in these speeds]]) | ||
'''[[Speed|Combat Speed]]:''' ''' | '''[[Speed|Combat Speed]]:''' '''High Hypersonic''', possibly '''Far Higher''' as Fake Frieza | ||
'''[[Reactions|Reaction Speed]]:''' ''' | '''[[Reactions|Reaction Speed]]:''' '''Higher Hypersonic''', possibly '''Far Higher''' as Fake Frieza | ||
'''[[Lifting Strength]]:''' '''Class M''', likely '''Higher''' (Superior to [[Son Goku|King Piccolo Saga Goku]], [https://imgur.com/a/COBCUk2 who fused his untapped potential with the Oozaru within him], [https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Power_Levels?so=search#Dragon_Ball making his power tenfold above his previous self] [[User blog:GiverOfThePeace/Moving a boulder|who moved a giant boulder with a lot of effort]]. [https://imgur.com/a/1oRTFSA Can casually lift his spaceship]) | '''[[Lifting Strength]]:''' '''Class M''', likely '''Higher''' (Superior to [[Son Goku|King Piccolo Saga Goku]], [https://imgur.com/a/COBCUk2 who fused his untapped potential with the Oozaru within him], [https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Power_Levels?so=search#Dragon_Ball making his power tenfold above his previous self] [[User blog:GiverOfThePeace/Moving a boulder|who moved a giant boulder with a lot of effort]]. [https://imgur.com/a/1oRTFSA Can casually lift his spaceship]) |
Revision as of 06:30, 3 October 2023
“ | Maybe the Saibamen can persuade them to tell us where the Dragon Balls are. Huh, Nappa? | „ |
~ Vegeta about the Saibamen |
Background
Saibamen are a species of small humanoid aliens that are grown from a seed that’s planted in fertile soil, such as the soil of Earth. After a special unknown fluid is poured on the planted Saibamen, they are immediately grown and reach their full strength within a moment. This species serves as a fodder minion to whoever planted it, which is oftentimes a Saiyan Warrior.
Previously used to help them take over a planet, each Saiyan Warrior carries around multiple Saibamen seeds and bulbs of fluid, for their own usage whenever a Saibaman’s power is required. The most notable instance of a pod of Saibamen being grown, is during Nappa and Vegeta’s invasion of planet Earth.
The Saibamen species are animalistic, ruthless and savage creatures, whose only allegiance lies with those who are stronger than them. Even when crippled and defeated, a Saibaman will do whatever it takes to win (or at least not be the only one to lose,) as they will go as far as to resort to clinging to an enemy and self-destructing.
There are multiple different sub-species of Saibamen who are used for multiple different scenarios; the regular Saibamen are green and wield fairly standard battle powers. Kaiwaremen are blue versions of the original, who are much weaker than normal, but come in the plenty. Kyukonmen are yellow and Tennenmen are purple, but both are fairly standard to the average Saibaman’s power. Jinkoumen are grey versions of the original, who are far stronger than the rest.
The final, most unique sub-species of Saibamen, are the Copymen. A Copyman is an extremely rare Saibaman, who is completely jet black in coloration. These Saibamen hold the special abilities of shapeshifting, which also increases their power tremendously; with the ability, they can convincingly shapeshift into other characters, notably having shown to transform into Raditz and First Form Frieza.
Statistics
Name: Saibaman
Origin: Dragon Ball
Sex: N/A
Age: Varies
Classification: Cultivation Men, Aliens
Species: Unknown
Occupation: None
Status: Deceased (All members were killed off)
Alignment: Unaligned (Possess no capability for individual thought, instead following the orders of those who summoned them regardless of their morals. They are completely animalistic and simply use their combat prowess and survival instincts to pull them through)
Dimensionality: 3-D
Attack Potency: Moon level (Is physically equal to Raditz, who was able to casually overpower both Piccolo and Son Goku; Piccolo generated a ki attack that destroyed the moon not long after their fight)
Durability: Moon level
Striking Strength: Moon Class
Lifting Strength: Class M, likely Higher (Superior to King Piccolo Saga Goku, who fused his untapped potential with the Oozaru within him, making his power tenfold above his previous self who moved a giant boulder with a lot of effort)
Travel Speed: Superhuman (Superior to Dragon Ball Saga Son Goku)
Combat Speed: High Hypersonic
Reaction Speed: High Hypersonic (Far Beyond 22nd Budokai Son Goku, who could dodge a mouth blast from Tambourine, which he used to tag the flying nimbus where even post King Kai training Goku used the flying nimbus to make it to the saiyans implying it is at least comparable to his flight speed by then, with Goku being capable of traveling over a million of kilometers in two days which results in these speeds. Should be far faster than Mercenary Tao, who stated that a jet would take too long and used his pillar, with fighter jets reaching up to 1000 mph)
Stamina: High (Saibamen are shown to be able to participate in a marathon fight with trained martial artists, although they do clearly get winded at times. They don't have any actual physical training)
Range: Standard Melee, Interstellar with Ki Attacks (Ki attacks can reach out of the planet and to other planets. All ki attacks should be comparable to Goku's kamehameha, which reached all the way to the sun)
Intelligence: Animalistic (The Saibamen as a species are each basically mindless slaves, who will follow and listen to whoever grew them. Although they are incredibly powerful, they act more on survival instinct than using martial skill)
Name: Kyukoman
Origin: Dragon Ball
Sex: N/A
Age: Varies
Classification: Cultivation Men, Aliens
Species: Unknown
Occupation: None
Status: Deceased (All members were killed off)
Alignment: Unaligned
Dimensionality: 3-D
Attack Potency: Moon level
Durability: Moon level
Striking Strength: Moon Class
Lifting Strength: Class M, likely Higher (Superior to King Piccolo Saga Goku, who fused his untapped potential with the Oozaru within him, making his power tenfold above his previous self who moved a giant boulder with a lot of effort. Can casually lift his spaceship)
Travel Speed: Superhuman
Combat Speed: High Hypersonic
Reaction Speed: High Hypersonic
Stamina: High
Range: Standard Melee, Interstellar with Ki Attacks (Ki attacks can reach out of the planet and to other planets. All ki attacks should be comparable to Goku's kamehameha, which reached all the way to the sun)
Intelligence: Animalistic
Name: Tennenman
Origin: Dragon Ball
Sex: N/A
Age: Varies
Classification: Cultivation Men, Aliens
Species: Unknown
Occupation: None
Status: Deceased (All members were killed off)
Alignment: Unaligned
Dimensionality: 3-D
Attack Potency: Moon level
Durability: Moon level
Striking Strength: Moon Class
Lifting Strength: Class M, likely Higher (Superior to King Piccolo Saga Goku, who fused his untapped potential with the Oozaru within him, making his power tenfold above his previous self who moved a giant boulder with a lot of effort. Can casually lift his spaceship)
Travel Speed: Superhuman
Combat Speed: High Hypersonic
Reaction Speed: High Hypersonic
Stamina: High
Range: Standard Melee, Interstellar with Ki Attacks (Ki attacks can reach out of the planet and to other planets. All ki attacks should be comparable to Goku's kamehameha, which reached all the way to the sun)
Intelligence: Animalistic
Name: Kaiwareman
Origin: Dragon Ball
Sex: N/A
Age: Varies
Classification: Cultivation Men, Aliens
Species: Unknown
Occupation: None
Status: Deceased (All members were killed off)
Alignment: Unaligned
Dimensionality: 3-D
Attack Potency: At least Mountain level, likely Moon level (The weakest of the species, Kaiwaremen have a power level between 200 and 938, putting it between King Piccolo and Raditz; King Piccolo destroyed a city with the wave of his hand, and Master Roshi destroyed Fry Pan Mountain. Raditz scales above Piccolo destroying the moon)
Durability: At least Mountain level, likely Moon level
Striking Strength: At least Mountain Class, likely Moon Class
Lifting Strength: Class M, likely Higher (Superior to King Piccolo Saga Goku, who fused his untapped potential with the Oozaru within him, making his power tenfold above his previous self who moved a giant boulder with a lot of effort. Can casually lift his spaceship)
Travel Speed: Superhuman
Combat Speed: High Hypersonic
Reaction Speed: High Hypersonic
Stamina: High
Range: Standard Melee, Interstellar with Ki Attacks (Ki attacks can reach out of the planet and to other planets. All ki attacks should be comparable to Goku's kamehameha, which reached all the way to the sun)
Intelligence: Animalistic
Name: Jinkouman
Origin: Dragon Ball
Sex: N/A
Age: Varies
Classification: Cultivation Men, Aliens
Species: Unknown
Occupation: None
Status: Deceased (All members were killed off)
Alignment: Unaligned
Dimensionality: 3-D
Attack Potency: Moon level+ (Jinkoumen have a power level around 4400, which is above Nappa’s level. Nappa is far above Raditz, who himself was far above the Piccolo who destroyed the moon)
Durability: Moon level+
Striking Strength: Moon Class+
Lifting Strength: Class M, likely Higher (Superior to King Piccolo Saga Goku, who fused his untapped potential with the Oozaru within him, making his power tenfold above his previous self who moved a giant boulder with a lot of effort. Can casually lift his spaceship)
Travel Speed: Superhuman
Combat Speed: High Hypersonic
Reaction Speed: High Hypersonic
Stamina: High (Saibamen are shown to be able to participate in a marathon fight with trained martial artists, although they do clearly get winded at times. They don't have any actual physical training)
Range: Standard Melee, Interstellar with Ki Attacks (Ki attacks can reach out of the planet and to other planets. All ki attacks should be comparable to Goku's kamehameha, which reached all the way to the sun)
Intelligence: Animalistic
Name: Copyman
Origin: Dragon Ball
Sex: N/A
Age: Varies
Classification: Cultivation Men, Aliens
Species: Unknown
Occupation: None
Status: Deceased (All members were killed off)
Alignment: Unaligned
Dimensionality: 3-D
Attack Potency: Moon level (A normal Copyman is as strong as a Saibaman), possibly Small Planet level as Fake Frieza (Although not as strong as the real Frieza, it was able to at least contend with late Namek Saga Gohan; Gohan has a power level of 16000, putting him around Saiyan Saga Vegeta, whose power level is 44 times above BoZ Piccolo's power level)
Travel Speed: At least Superhuman, possibly High Hypersonic as Fake Frieza (Should be faster than Saiyan Saga Son Goku, with Goku being capable of traveling over a million of kilometers in two days which results in these speeds)
Combat Speed: High Hypersonic, possibly Far Higher as Fake Frieza
Reaction Speed: Higher Hypersonic, possibly Far Higher as Fake Frieza
Lifting Strength: Class M, likely Higher (Superior to King Piccolo Saga Goku, who fused his untapped potential with the Oozaru within him, making his power tenfold above his previous self who moved a giant boulder with a lot of effort. Can casually lift his spaceship)
Striking Strength: Moon Class, possibly Small Planet Class as Fake Frieza
Durability: Moon level (A normal Copyman is as strong as a Saibaman), possibly Small Planet level as Fake Frieza (Although not as strong as the real Frieza, it was able to at least contend with late Namek Saga Gohan; Gohan has a power level of 16000, putting him around Saiyan Saga Vegeta, whose power level is 44 times above BoZ Piccolo's power level)
Stamina: High (Saibamen are shown to be able to participate in a marathon fight with trained martial artists, although they do clearly get winded at times. They don't have any actual physical training)
Range: Standard Melee, Interstellar with Ki Attacks (Ki attacks can reach out of the planet and to other planets. All ki attacks should be comparable to Goku's kamehameha, which reached all the way to the sun)
Intelligence: AnimalisticPowers and Abilities
All previous abilities, Transformation (Shapeshifting) and Statistics Amplification (Copymen can shapeshift into both Raditz and Frieza; doing so increases its power)
Notable Techniques
- Flight: With a mastery of Ki control, Dabura is able to fly at incredibly high speeds.
- Ki Blast: Using Ki, Dabura can concentrate it into a ball that he uses as a projectile attack.
- Acid: Splitting open its head, the Saibamen is able to spray a jet of deadly acid from within it, powerful enough to melt huge masses of land.
- Saibabeam: The Saibaman fires a green beam of energy from its head.
- Saibaman Bomb: Clinging onto an enemy as hard as it can, the Saibaman glows bright before self-destructing in a massive explosion.
- Shapeshifting: Specific ability to a Copyman. The Copymen is able to completely shapeshift itself into a convincing mimic of someone else, which also increases its power. Copymen have only shown to shapeshift into Raditz and First Form Frieza.
Other
Standard Tactics: Saibamen will employ hand to hand combat along with attacks where they spit out acid. They will also attempt to self-destruct if the opponent is too strong for them.
Weaknesses: Due to the nature of ki draining stamina and energy, Dragon Ball characters ki usage requires them to usually use their higher levels of energy in short bursts, allowing them to not be able to tank or die to far lower attacks such as attacks that have destroyed the planets of several worlds.
Note: Some clips used on the profile come from an anime or movie due to the fact that some abilities from ki use shouldn't function much differently from how they can in canon, along with this sometimes the anime version/video game version of a scene will be used for cleaner visuals. Toriyama himself directly overlooks scenes in the anime and movies and gives Toei the thumbs up[5].
References
- ↑ Dragon Ball Z Episode 162
- ↑ Dragon Ball Z Kai Episode 82
- ↑ Dragon Ball Z Episode 231
- ↑ Dragon Ball Super Episode 72
- ↑ "What work do you do on the films, Sensei?
I check the plot and script that gets sent to me from Toei Animation. I also do some character designs and touch-ups, as well as altering the names and such."
Battle Records
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Discussions (Link For Mobile Users):
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