| '''[[Attack Potency]]:''' '''Athelete level''' physically ([https://youtu.be/KHbrN8kIyq0?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=810 Is noted to be an elite of his respective nations' services], [https://youtu.be/KHbrN8kIyq0?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=1359 with every soldier being the best of the best from the world's soldiers]), '''Building level''' ([https://youtu.be/KHbrN8kIyq0?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=1478 Equipped with special suits, to allow him to fight against the threats in the] Schwarzwelt, [https://youtu.be/KHbrN8kIyq0?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=1492 allowing one to function in harsh conditions], [https://youtu.be/KHbrN8kIyq0?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=1581 and a fundamental AI system that supports one's movements and boosts their existing strength, protecting from harm]. [https://youtu.be/R64Jqri1NYk?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2028 Can fight and kill low level demons], low level demons should be comparable to other low level demons [https://youtu.be/qx5b3hFhTCQ?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=376 who have access to Agi skills], [https://youtu.be/0xYct8Y3Zqk?t=98 which can vaporize humans], [https://science.slashdot.org/story/13/09/13/2122208/it-takes-299-gigajoules-to-vaporize-a-human-body which gives these results]. [https://youtu.be/RcS_yQPihkw?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=394 Along with access to Bufu skills], [https://youtu.be/0xYct8Y3Zqk?t=86 which can completely freeze opponents], [[Reference_for_Common_Feats#Freezing_a_Human|giving these results]]) to '''Universe level''' with Demonica Suit ([https://youtu.be/DBcnBEyAp1c?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=184 The Demonica Suit adapts itself allowing it to fight against stronger demons]. [https://youtu.be/DBcnBEyAp1c?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=620 Fought and defeated] Morax, [https://youtu.be/DBcnBEyAp1c?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=517 who created] [https://youtu.be/JFbJuVsI3WU?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=781 and rules over his own realm] [https://youtu.be/DBcnBEyAp1c?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=1580 and controlled the sector], [https://youtu.be/DBcnBEyAp1c?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=828 being noted] [https://youtu.be/DBcnBEyAp1c?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=544 to be the energy source] [https://youtu.be/VMJCaN4nv3E?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2201 they were looking for], [https://youtu.be/VMJCaN4nv3E?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2445 said energy source is noted to control the entire sector], [https://youtu.be/VMJCaN4nv3E?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2374 and be linked to the sector like a magnet]. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2279&v=VMJCaN4nv3E&feature=youtu.be Each sector is a space-time plane layered atop each other], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMJCaN4nv3E&list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2212s being planes outside of the human worlds local space-time existing in a quantum tunnel], [https://youtu.be/KHbrN8kIyq0?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=946 along with being noted as parallel universes] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHbrN8kIyq0&list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2173s and other] [https://imgur.com/a/iAwBHgJ dimensions overlapping being isolated in time and space by enormous power] [https://youtu.be/JFbJuVsI3WU?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=764 being connected by quantum tunnels]), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] ([https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=1410 Observation can be used to massively amplify one's stats, such as when the early game] ''Shin Megami Tensei 1'' protagonist was amplified to be able to fight with all the other end game protagonists and fight Stephen. [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=1862 With it's power being noted by Stephen to give humans the potential to exceed the] Axiom) & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] ([https://imgur.com/a/MBUN2th A characters willpower in SMT allows them to increase greatly in strength allowing them to harm enemies they couldn't even scratch before and survive attacks that would have originally kill them], [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=2272 the will of one's friends and allies around them can invigorate one to become far more powerful then before]) | '''Athelete level''' physically, '''Simple Hierarchal Multiverse level''' with Demonica Suit ([https://youtu.be/Ipirt7EuL6I?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=288 Noted by] Ishtar that his strength exceeds her own. [https://youtu.be/Rgz8XdoGSPQ In ''Catherine'' Ishtar views the regular reality as a story she can control at will], [https://youtu.be/P-3HpFREL3E along with the ''Persona'' multiverse as fiction]), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | '''Athelete level''' physically, At least '''Cantorverse level''' with Demonica Suit ([https://youtu.be/CxYKJ13Fmwc?t=98 Fought and defeated] the Demiurge, [https://youtu.be/hfTVPJnZcUk?t=356 who is stated by] Metatron [https://youtu.be/hfTVPJnZcUk?t=363 to be the most powerful of] [[YHVH]]'s fragments. [[YHVH]] [https://imgur.com/a/eNIH9qI is the progenitor of all gods and all religions from all around the world, existing as the one true original god]. [https://imgur.com/a/AQppUyn Turned all other gods in the pantheon into demons]. [https://eirikrjs.blogspot.com/2016/08/apocalypse-artbook.html He is viewed as an omnipotent existence that created everything]<ref>Profile: The actual One God of monotheism. The One God praised by Judaism, Christianity and Islam. He is the omnipotent existence that created heaven and earth and made man in his own image, but this also means that together with the angels, his bunrei [subparts], he also gave birth to demons. By giving humans bodies of flesh and bone, their lives and fears were repeated in the endless cycle of death and rebirth, restricting their range of observation.</ref> [https://youtu.be/sBJn2IrfER4?t=171 A single manifestation head is so far beyond all of creation that not even his creations blades can harm him]<ref>The reason YHVH is harmed during this fight is due to humanity's [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|observation]] weakening him, as there's no reason for YHVH to be lying</ref>. [https://youtu.be/ijJFkJ6l058?t=85 YHVH is a being who created] [http://shmuplations.com/smt/ infinite universes], [https://youtu.be/ijJFkJ6l058?t=70 and exists beyond the very boundaries of time within the multiverse]. [https://imgur.com/hBzsNkT The multiverse is] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl2ZXAZeN3Q&t=19s&ab_channel=davidramons composed of] [https://youtu.be/XvzWQt8jmTA?t=22 information and] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP8oNYHRuJw&t=9995s&ab_channel=BuffMaister data], [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=1477 further proven with] [[Stephen (Shin Megami Tensei)|Stephen]] having attacks that can code beings that the world, this would make SMT a mathematical multiverse falling under the [[Multiverse#Max_Tegmark's_Multiverse|level 4 multiverse]], [https://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/crazy.html a multiverse where eevery possible mathematical structure and be described at some level], [https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/set-theory/ which would include any possible level of reality that can be conceived of using set theory]. Which would include planes such as Akarana Corridor [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=957 a void that transcends time and space], [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=886 with it requiring a special ritual to enter], where even the Herald of Yatagarasu cannot put Raidou into this place<ref>The Herald of Yatagarsu is [https://youtu.be/SJhzC5B5HGA?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=727 capable of teleporting Raidou into] The Expanse, [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 a place that transcends the past, present, and future] [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=98 of the multiverse] but cannot even reach this realm, along with this she [https://imgur.com/a/PxAg9xW exists a plane not apart of the human world], further showing how out of reach this plane is, [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=1043 it requires one normally to discard their human form and transcribe themselves otherwise they are threatened with being unstuck from time]</ref>, putting it beyond even The Expanse [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 a place that transcends the past, present, and future] [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=98 of the multiverse]. Beings such as [[Metatron]], [https://youtu.be/wH_4Fkwrh2A?t=7m50s are amped by them by in their fight against an] end game [[Demi-fiend]]. His avatar [[Kagutsuchi (Megami Tensei)|Kagutsuchi]], [https://youtu.be/c_t3wbCKCho created and sustains the Vortex world], which was resulted from him [https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Miroku_Scripture erasing the past, present and future of the universe], in order to construct the Vortex World in its foundations. [https://youtu.be/i7jFy187Fvk?t=1843 Exists as the light that encompasses] [https://youtu.be/i7jFy187Fvk?t=987 and administers all of creation within the Amala universe that is said to contain countless worlds] [https://youtu.be/i7jFy187Fvk?t=1804 along with being the source to creation] [https://youtu.be/cJ834NlLbgg?t=1411 with his defeat causing the destruction of the Amala universe]. [https://imgur.com/a/isoUifN Merged the Demon World and the Divine World into the remnants of the human realm to create the Vortex World]; the Demon World, best known as the Expanse, [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 is a higher plane of existence that transcends past, present, and future] [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=98 of the multiverse]. [[Kagutsuchi (Shin Megami Tensei)|Kagutsuchi]] is capable of empowering the Reason Gods, among which is Ahriman, in order to allow them to reshape the foundation of the Vortex World and birth a new reality), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | '''Athelete level''' physically, At least '''Cantorverse level''' with Demonica Suit ([https://youtu.be/6064HUSmlT8?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=759 Fought and defeated] Mem Aleph, [https://youtu.be/hfTVPJnZcUk?t=311 who fought and defeated a weakened form of] [[YHVH]], [https://youtu.be/6064HUSmlT8?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=1976 Mem Aleph is also noted to have power equal to that of the Cosmic Egg], [https://youtu.be/4haQ5T9DoWk?list=PLDwjEcGRHRZ7pABsyzZ6bOKGshMroT93E&t=621 which its power is capable of forging a new universe of one's desires]. It's power also made Nanashi [https://youtu.be/mU1bTqbGlDg?t=181 the new creator god of the universe], ampflying him beyond his previous state [https://youtu.be/nCQrfWTKndM?t=402 after he defeated] [[YHVH|true form YHVH]]. True Form YHVH's [https://youtu.be/Ajh6RtXbxME?t=482 single manifestation heads are a single part of his true self that controls the entire cosmos], [https://eirikrjs.blogspot.com/2016/08/apocalypse-artbook.html with each head having control over a universe]<ref>He had a strong impact in the previous games, so I just followed the basic model. His image as the Father and main god was emphasised by the stern expression on his aged face. The panels with three angles in the middle of his face are there to portray him as a 3D representation. I showed multiple faces every time he appeared, in order to show he has all the universes under his rule. The true number of these faces is the number of stars, rather than just the number of lives we can observe.</ref>. [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=246 The multiverse and his manifestation head are infinitesimal in size compared to him], and he exists as [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=165 an incomprehensible] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=450 transcendent being overseeing everything in his creation]. [https://youtu.be/L23HK4gdQY0?t=516 His universe is a place beyond reality that is more vague and more infinite then anything the cast has seen before] [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 which includes areas such as the expanse] and Akrana Corridor, and his single manifestation head. Viewed as so immeasurably powerful that the combined cast of SMT IV Apocalypse, [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=526 needed to] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=637 deny his divine nature] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=676 and form understandings] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=853 repeatedly] through the use of [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|obseravtion]] in order to defeat him. [https://youtu.be/tIqhT7tfYyE?list=PLOdDlDt7wGxeBgeQg5UMgwxpK4rPCWPUm&t=587 The Cosmic Egg's Cosmic Energy having enough energy to create and/or swallow an entire space-time continuum], [https://youtu.be/tIqhT7tfYyE?list=PLOdDlDt7wGxeBgeQg5UMgwxpK4rPCWPUm&t=616 and can be used to destroy the] Schwarzwelt, [https://youtu.be/spraSlJLBXc?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2751 which is composed of infinitely expanding space-time sectors]. [https://youtu.be/WXzWDogr2YI?list=PLOdDlDt7wGxeBgeQg5UMgwxpK4rPCWPUm&t=2224 The power of the cosmic fruit also allows one to transcend space and time]. [https://youtu.be/WXzWDogr2YI?list=PLOdDlDt7wGxeBgeQg5UMgwxpK4rPCWPUm&t=970 Fought and defeated] Shekinah, who represents the female facet of [[YHVH]]. [https://lparchive.org/Shin-Megami-Tensei-Strange-Journey-(by-Dragonatrix)/Update%2048/ Wields the divine sword, which is noted that only one equal to the] [[YHVH|lord of the heavens]] can use it), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | At least '''Cantorverse level''' ([https://youtu.be/WXzWDogr2YI?list=PLOdDlDt7wGxeBgeQg5UMgwxpK4rPCWPUm&t=2224 Absorbed the power of the Cosmic Fruit, allowing him to transcend space and time and be the sole human to protect humanity for eternity against the] Schwarzwelt), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | | '''[[Attack Potency]]:''' '''Athelete level''' physically ([https://youtu.be/KHbrN8kIyq0?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=810 Is noted to be an elite of his respective nations' services], [https://youtu.be/KHbrN8kIyq0?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=1359 with every soldier being the best of the best from the world's soldiers]), '''Building level''' ([https://youtu.be/KHbrN8kIyq0?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=1478 Equipped with special suits, to allow him to fight against the threats in the] Schwarzwelt, [https://youtu.be/KHbrN8kIyq0?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=1492 allowing one to function in harsh conditions], [https://youtu.be/KHbrN8kIyq0?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=1581 and a fundamental AI system that supports one's movements and boosts their existing strength, protecting from harm]. [https://youtu.be/R64Jqri1NYk?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2028 Can fight and kill low level demons], low level demons should be comparable to other low level demons [https://youtu.be/qx5b3hFhTCQ?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=376 who have access to Agi skills], [https://youtu.be/0xYct8Y3Zqk?t=98 which can vaporize humans], [https://science.slashdot.org/story/13/09/13/2122208/it-takes-299-gigajoules-to-vaporize-a-human-body which gives these results]. [https://youtu.be/RcS_yQPihkw?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=394 Along with access to Bufu skills], [https://youtu.be/0xYct8Y3Zqk?t=86 which can completely freeze opponents], [[Reference_for_Common_Feats#Freezing_a_Human|giving these results]]) to '''Universe level''' with Demonica Suit ([https://youtu.be/DBcnBEyAp1c?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=184 The Demonica Suit adapts itself allowing it to fight against stronger demons]. [https://youtu.be/DBcnBEyAp1c?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=620 Fought and defeated] Morax, [https://youtu.be/DBcnBEyAp1c?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=517 who created] [https://youtu.be/JFbJuVsI3WU?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=781 and rules over his own realm] [https://youtu.be/DBcnBEyAp1c?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=1580 and controlled the sector], [https://youtu.be/DBcnBEyAp1c?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=828 being noted] [https://youtu.be/DBcnBEyAp1c?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=544 to be the energy source] [https://youtu.be/VMJCaN4nv3E?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2201 they were looking for], [https://youtu.be/VMJCaN4nv3E?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2445 said energy source is noted to control the entire sector], [https://youtu.be/VMJCaN4nv3E?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2374 and be linked to the sector like a magnet]. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2279&v=VMJCaN4nv3E&feature=youtu.be Each sector is a space-time plane layered atop each other], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMJCaN4nv3E&list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2212s being planes outside of the human worlds local space-time existing in a quantum tunnel], [https://youtu.be/KHbrN8kIyq0?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=946 along with being noted as parallel universes] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHbrN8kIyq0&list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2173s and other] [https://imgur.com/a/iAwBHgJ dimensions overlapping being isolated in time and space by enormous power] [https://youtu.be/JFbJuVsI3WU?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=764 being connected by quantum tunnels]), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] ([https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=1410 Observation can be used to massively amplify one's stats, such as when the early game] ''Shin Megami Tensei 1'' protagonist was amplified to be able to fight with all the other end game protagonists and fight Stephen. [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=1862 With it's power being noted by Stephen to give humans the potential to exceed the] Axiom) & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] ([https://imgur.com/a/MBUN2th A characters willpower in SMT allows them to increase greatly in strength allowing them to harm enemies they couldn't even scratch before and survive attacks that would have originally kill them], [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=2272 the will of one's friends and allies around them can invigorate one to become far more powerful then before]) | '''Athelete level''' physically, '''Simple Hierarchal Multiverse level''' with Demonica Suit ([https://youtu.be/Ipirt7EuL6I?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=288 Noted by] Ishtar that his strength exceeds her own. [https://youtu.be/Rgz8XdoGSPQ In ''Catherine'' Ishtar views the regular reality as a story she can control at will], [https://youtu.be/P-3HpFREL3E along with the ''Persona'' multiverse as fiction]), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | '''Athelete level''' physically, At least '''Meta Hierarchal Multiverse level''' with Demonica Suit ([https://youtu.be/CxYKJ13Fmwc?t=98 Fought and defeated] the Demiurge, [https://youtu.be/hfTVPJnZcUk?t=356 who is stated by] Metatron [https://youtu.be/hfTVPJnZcUk?t=363 to be the most powerful of] [[YHVH]]'s fragments. [[YHVH]] [https://imgur.com/a/eNIH9qI is the progenitor of all gods and all religions from all around the world, existing as the one true original god]. [https://imgur.com/a/AQppUyn Turned all other gods in the pantheon into demons]. [https://eirikrjs.blogspot.com/2016/08/apocalypse-artbook.html He is viewed as an omnipotent existence that created everything]<ref>Profile: The actual One God of monotheism. The One God praised by Judaism, Christianity and Islam. He is the omnipotent existence that created heaven and earth and made man in his own image, but this also means that together with the angels, his bunrei [subparts], he also gave birth to demons. By giving humans bodies of flesh and bone, their lives and fears were repeated in the endless cycle of death and rebirth, restricting their range of observation.</ref> [https://youtu.be/sBJn2IrfER4?t=171 A single manifestation head is so far beyond all of creation that not even his creations blades can harm him]<ref>The reason YHVH is harmed during this fight is due to humanity's [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|observation]] weakening him, as there's no reason for YHVH to be lying</ref>. [https://youtu.be/ijJFkJ6l058?t=85 YHVH is a being who created] [http://shmuplations.com/smt/ infinite universes], [https://youtu.be/ijJFkJ6l058?t=70 and exists beyond the very boundaries of time within the multiverse]. [https://imgur.com/hBzsNkT The multiverse is] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl2ZXAZeN3Q&t=19s&ab_channel=davidramons composed of] [https://youtu.be/XvzWQt8jmTA?t=22 information and] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP8oNYHRuJw&t=9995s&ab_channel=BuffMaister data], [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=1477 further proven with] [[Stephen (Shin Megami Tensei)|Stephen]] having attacks that can code beings that the world, this would make SMT a mathematical multiverse falling under the [[Multiverse#Max_Tegmark's_Multiverse|level 4 multiverse]], [https://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/crazy.html a multiverse where eevery possible mathematical structure and be described at some level], [https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/set-theory/ which would include any possible level of reality that can be conceived of using set theory]. Which would include planes such as Akarana Corridor [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=957 a void that transcends time and space], [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=886 with it requiring a special ritual to enter], where even the Herald of Yatagarasu cannot put Raidou into this place<ref>The Herald of Yatagarsu is [https://youtu.be/SJhzC5B5HGA?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=727 capable of teleporting Raidou into] The Expanse, [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 a place that transcends the past, present, and future] [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=98 of the multiverse] but cannot even reach this realm, along with this she [https://imgur.com/a/PxAg9xW exists a plane not apart of the human world], further showing how out of reach this plane is, [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=1043 it requires one normally to discard their human form and transcribe themselves otherwise they are threatened with being unstuck from time]</ref>, putting it beyond even The Expanse [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 a place that transcends the past, present, and future] [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=98 of the multiverse]. Beings such as [[Metatron]], [https://youtu.be/wH_4Fkwrh2A?t=7m50s are amped by them by in their fight against an] end game [[Demi-fiend]]. His avatar [[Kagutsuchi (Megami Tensei)|Kagutsuchi]], [https://youtu.be/c_t3wbCKCho created and sustains the Vortex world], which was resulted from him [https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Miroku_Scripture erasing the past, present and future of the universe], in order to construct the Vortex World in its foundations. [https://youtu.be/i7jFy187Fvk?t=1843 Exists as the light that encompasses] [https://youtu.be/i7jFy187Fvk?t=987 and administers all of creation within the Amala universe that is said to contain countless worlds] [https://youtu.be/i7jFy187Fvk?t=1804 along with being the source to creation] [https://youtu.be/cJ834NlLbgg?t=1411 with his defeat causing the destruction of the Amala universe]. [https://imgur.com/a/isoUifN Merged the Demon World and the Divine World into the remnants of the human realm to create the Vortex World]; the Demon World, best known as the Expanse, [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 is a higher plane of existence that transcends past, present, and future] [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=98 of the multiverse]. [[Kagutsuchi (Shin Megami Tensei)|Kagutsuchi]] is capable of empowering the Reason Gods, among which is Ahriman, in order to allow them to reshape the foundation of the Vortex World and birth a new reality), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | '''Athelete level''' physically, At least '''Meta Hierarchal Multiverse level''' with Demonica Suit ([https://youtu.be/6064HUSmlT8?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=759 Fought and defeated] Mem Aleph, [https://youtu.be/hfTVPJnZcUk?t=311 who fought and defeated a weakened form of] [[YHVH]], [https://youtu.be/6064HUSmlT8?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=1976 Mem Aleph is also noted to have power equal to that of the Cosmic Egg], [https://youtu.be/4haQ5T9DoWk?list=PLDwjEcGRHRZ7pABsyzZ6bOKGshMroT93E&t=621 which its power is capable of forging a new universe of one's desires]. It's power also made Nanashi [https://youtu.be/mU1bTqbGlDg?t=181 the new creator god of the universe], ampflying him beyond his previous state [https://youtu.be/nCQrfWTKndM?t=402 after he defeated] [[YHVH|true form YHVH]]. True Form YHVH's [https://youtu.be/Ajh6RtXbxME?t=482 single manifestation heads are a single part of his true self that controls the entire cosmos], [https://eirikrjs.blogspot.com/2016/08/apocalypse-artbook.html with each head having control over a universe]<ref>He had a strong impact in the previous games, so I just followed the basic model. His image as the Father and main god was emphasised by the stern expression on his aged face. The panels with three angles in the middle of his face are there to portray him as a 3D representation. I showed multiple faces every time he appeared, in order to show he has all the universes under his rule. The true number of these faces is the number of stars, rather than just the number of lives we can observe.</ref>. [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=246 The multiverse and his manifestation head are infinitesimal in size compared to him], and he exists as [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=165 an incomprehensible] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=450 transcendent being overseeing everything in his creation]. [https://youtu.be/L23HK4gdQY0?t=516 His universe is a place beyond reality that is more vague and more infinite then anything the cast has seen before] [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 which includes areas such as the expanse] and Akrana Corridor, and his single manifestation head. Viewed as so immeasurably powerful that the combined cast of SMT IV Apocalypse, [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=526 needed to] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=637 deny his divine nature] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=676 and form understandings] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=853 repeatedly] through the use of [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|obseravtion]] in order to defeat him. [https://youtu.be/tIqhT7tfYyE?list=PLOdDlDt7wGxeBgeQg5UMgwxpK4rPCWPUm&t=587 The Cosmic Egg's Cosmic Energy having enough energy to create and/or swallow an entire space-time continuum], [https://youtu.be/tIqhT7tfYyE?list=PLOdDlDt7wGxeBgeQg5UMgwxpK4rPCWPUm&t=616 and can be used to destroy the] Schwarzwelt, [https://youtu.be/spraSlJLBXc?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2751 which is composed of infinitely expanding space-time sectors]. [https://youtu.be/WXzWDogr2YI?list=PLOdDlDt7wGxeBgeQg5UMgwxpK4rPCWPUm&t=2224 The power of the cosmic fruit also allows one to transcend space and time]. [https://youtu.be/WXzWDogr2YI?list=PLOdDlDt7wGxeBgeQg5UMgwxpK4rPCWPUm&t=970 Fought and defeated] Shekinah, who represents the female facet of [[YHVH]]. [https://lparchive.org/Shin-Megami-Tensei-Strange-Journey-(by-Dragonatrix)/Update%2048/ Wields the divine sword, which is noted that only one equal to the] [[YHVH|lord of the heavens]] can use it), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | At least '''Meta Hierarchal Multiverse level''' ([https://youtu.be/WXzWDogr2YI?list=PLOdDlDt7wGxeBgeQg5UMgwxpK4rPCWPUm&t=2224 Absorbed the power of the Cosmic Fruit, allowing him to transcend space and time and be the sole human to protect humanity for eternity against the] Schwarzwelt), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] |
| '''[[Range]]:''' '''Standard Melee Range''', '''Extended Melee Range''' with Swords, '''Hundreds of Meters''' with Fire Arms, '''Kilometers''' to '''Planetary''' with demons (Demons havae access to magic such as [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Www2PluTdOA being able to create snowstorms] [https://youtu.be/B1y-LMn7zkk?t=162 and freezing the entire world]), '''Cross-Dimensional''' for his demons and Demonica Suits [[Extrasensory Perception]] ([https://youtu.be/R64Jqri1NYk?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=674 Can see demons with the Demon Summoning Program]. [https://imgur.com/a/lqQRrE8 Demons passively create adecoherence field, that is essentially a special dimension of quantum fluctuation that they exist in, where humans cannot see them], and can attack from there. [https://youtu.be/KYU8J4N80Lw?t=6825 Demons can also create mirage realms], [https://youtu.be/KYU8J4N80Lw?t=7150 that shroud an entire area in mist], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5FV51PZ1ds&t=1802s with them being able to attack from inside said illusion without being capable of being attacked back], [https://youtu.be/p5FV51PZ1ds?t=2248 requiring the user to go inside of their illusion to fight them]), '''Multiversal''' with [[Dimensional Travel]] (Should be in a similar state of existence to Commander Gore, [https://youtu.be/LhXP0MO9IE8?list=PLOdDlDt7wGxeBgeQg5UMgwxpK4rPCWPUm&t=1914 who could freely jump through the space-time dimensions of the] Schwarzwelt, [https://youtu.be/spraSlJLBXc?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2751 which is composed of infinitely expanding space-time sectors]), At least '''Cantorversal''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] ([https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=490 Can affect beings such as] [[YHVH]] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=526 through their observation]. [[YHVH]] [https://imgur.com/a/eNIH9qI is the progenitor of all gods and all religions from all around the world, existing as the one true original god]. [https://imgur.com/a/AQppUyn Turned all other gods in the pantheon into demons]. [https://eirikrjs.blogspot.com/2016/08/apocalypse-artbook.html He is viewed as an omnipotent existence that created everything]<ref>Profile: The actual One God of monotheism. The One God praised by Judaism, Christianity and Islam. He is the omnipotent existence that created heaven and earth and made man in his own image, but this also means that together with the angels, his bunrei [subparts], he also gave birth to demons. By giving humans bodies of flesh and bone, their lives and fears were repeated in the endless cycle of death and rebirth, restricting their range of observation.</ref> [https://youtu.be/sBJn2IrfER4?t=171 A single manifestation head is so far beyond all of creation that not even his creations blades can harm him]<ref>The reason YHVH is harmed during this fight is due to humanity's [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|observation]] weakening him, as there's no reason for YHVH to be lying</ref>. [https://youtu.be/ijJFkJ6l058?t=85 YHVH is a being who created] [http://shmuplations.com/smt/ infinite universes], [https://youtu.be/ijJFkJ6l058?t=70 and exists beyond the very boundaries of time within the multiverse]. [https://imgur.com/hBzsNkT The multiverse is] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl2ZXAZeN3Q&t=19s&ab_channel=davidramons composed of] [https://youtu.be/XvzWQt8jmTA?t=22 information and] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP8oNYHRuJw&t=9995s&ab_channel=BuffMaister data], [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=1477 further proven with] [[Stephen (Shin Megami Tensei)|Stephen]] having attacks that can code beings that the world, this would make SMT a mathematical multiverse falling under the [[Multiverse#Max_Tegmark's_Multiverse|level 4 multiverse]], [https://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/crazy.html a multiverse where eevery possible mathematical structure and be described at some level], [https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/set-theory/ which would include any possible level of reality that can be conceived of using set theory]. Which would include planes such as Akarana Corridor [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=957 a void that transcends time and space], [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=886 with it requiring a special ritual to enter], where even the Herald of Yatagarasu cannot put Raidou into this place<ref>The Herald of Yatagarsu is [https://youtu.be/SJhzC5B5HGA?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=727 capable of teleporting Raidou into] The Expanse, [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 a place that transcends the past, present, and future] [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=98 of the multiverse] but cannot even reach this realm, along with this she [https://imgur.com/a/PxAg9xW exists a plane not apart of the human world], further showing how out of reach this plane is, [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=1043 it requires one normally to discard their human form and transcribe themselves otherwise they are threatened with being unstuck from time]</ref>, putting it beyond even The Expanse [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 a place that transcends the past, present, and future] [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=98 of the multiverse]. The true form views [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=246 the multiverse and his manifestation head are infinitesimal in size compared to him], and he exists as [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=165 an incomprehensible] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=450 transcendent being overseeing everything in his creation]. [https://youtu.be/L23HK4gdQY0?t=516 His universe is a place beyond reality that is more vague and more infinite then anything the cast has seen before] [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 which includes areas such as the expanse] and Akrana Corridor, and his single manifestation head. Along with this, [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=1862 humans observation has the potential to exceed] [[The Axiom]], [https://eirikrjs.blogspot.com/2016/08/apocalypse-artbook.html who exists in a realm beyond every other realm prior]<ref>Shioda: Is it correct to think that humanity was created by the Great Reason rather than by the gods?<br>Yamai: In the beginning, I believe, pure humans were made as observers of the universe. Then, as time passed, gods and polytheism appeared as the result of their perception of the surrounding world.<br>Miyata: Nozomi says at some point that it’s all right for people to be unsure, but in the underground it is believed that the gods are one of the answers hypothesised by humans. From her point of view, the gods are a symbol of the ideal imagined by humans and the perfect form envisioned by them as their target, their final point. Monotheism, on the other hand, only has one final target, but there are many ideals to pursue. This is tied to Nozomi’s lines above. It’s all right if there are bad guys and if there are good people, there will also be fickle ones. Nozomi’s credo is that everyone should choose their own destination.<br>Yamai: Even when talking about the creation of the universe, I think the birth of the Great Reason is beyond our ideals. The universe we can observe stretches over 130 billion light years, but we don’t know how it managed to appear from nothing. Gods like Izanagi, who birthed out of his eyes and nose, were perhaps a symbol of a farming culture, but they had a power that surpassed the humans’ power of understanding and I dare say that in the case of the Great Reason too, if emotions were to arise, those emotions themselves would become gods. I’m talking about that kind of creation. For example, the wish to be worshipped gave birth to [[YHVH]], or seeing the fights between humans signified the appearance of Lucifer. I think this is similar to the trends and movements born out of people’s shared consciousness nowadays. Let’s look at Japan’s concept of cuteness: if it spread throughout the whole world, maybe it would lead to the birth of a new god. I had this vague thought that the backbone of the Great Reason would begin like a pure baby who would pick up various emotions through touch, gradually learning about its surroundings.<br>Shioda: So it’s something along the lines of a god born out of the collective unconscious which came from shared awareness?<br>Yamai: That’s right, don’t you all just love it? (laughs)<br>Miyata: I certainly think there is some sort of huge collective unconscious, but I never really thought it might be connected to the Great Reason. And speaking of shared awareness, the scale would be quite small depending on the surroundings; the Japanese would have their shared awareness, but it would be different from that of foreigners. For example, even if the Japanese saw themselves as without religion, they’d look Buddhist to foreigners. This kind of thing leads me to think that the Great Reason is not at the surface of shared awareness, but belongs instead to an extremely deep part of the origin.<br>Shioda: I personally think that the term ‘bunrei’ [spirit divisions] often used to name gods in the story is extremely important in this game. The Great Reason is the origin. Does that make [[YHVH]] and all the other gods ‘bunrei’?<br>Yamai: Yes, it does. I think we can explain the existence of ‘bunrei’ through polytheism resulted from human perception. In the Celtic world, the druids saw Dagda as the forefather of sorcerers, but this was different for the Norse people or the Germanic culture. The people of each civilisation would see things as it fit them, so we got Odin instead. ‘Bunrei’ are born like this, but then again, treating Dagda and Odin as identical is wrong. Their powers and responsibilities are different, so it’s better for them to be thought of as different entities. Let’s have a look at [[YHVH]]: when he was born, humans perhaps observed [[YHVH]] himself, but once the scriptures were written, Uriel would be the one to be noticed and maybe that’s why he made so many appearances in their pages. Uriel frequently appearing as [[YHVH]]’s messenger also kind of feels like an accessory that comes to the front in order to preserve [[YHVH]]’s solemnity. But that is the result of the perception of later people, so we can also say that Uriel is a part [bunrei] of [[YHVH]].</ref>) | | '''[[Range]]:''' '''Standard Melee Range''', '''Extended Melee Range''' with Swords, '''Hundreds of Meters''' with Fire Arms, '''Kilometers''' to '''Planetary''' with demons (Demons havae access to magic such as [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Www2PluTdOA being able to create snowstorms] [https://youtu.be/B1y-LMn7zkk?t=162 and freezing the entire world]), '''Cross-Dimensional''' for his demons and Demonica Suits [[Extrasensory Perception]] ([https://youtu.be/R64Jqri1NYk?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=674 Can see demons with the Demon Summoning Program]. [https://imgur.com/a/lqQRrE8 Demons passively create adecoherence field, that is essentially a special dimension of quantum fluctuation that they exist in, where humans cannot see them], and can attack from there. [https://youtu.be/KYU8J4N80Lw?t=6825 Demons can also create mirage realms], [https://youtu.be/KYU8J4N80Lw?t=7150 that shroud an entire area in mist], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5FV51PZ1ds&t=1802s with them being able to attack from inside said illusion without being capable of being attacked back], [https://youtu.be/p5FV51PZ1ds?t=2248 requiring the user to go inside of their illusion to fight them]), '''Multiversal''' with [[Dimensional Travel]] (Should be in a similar state of existence to Commander Gore, [https://youtu.be/LhXP0MO9IE8?list=PLOdDlDt7wGxeBgeQg5UMgwxpK4rPCWPUm&t=1914 who could freely jump through the space-time dimensions of the] Schwarzwelt, [https://youtu.be/spraSlJLBXc?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2751 which is composed of infinitely expanding space-time sectors]), At least '''Meta Hierarchal Multiversal''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] ([https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=490 Can affect beings such as] [[YHVH]] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=526 through their observation]. [[YHVH]] [https://imgur.com/a/eNIH9qI is the progenitor of all gods and all religions from all around the world, existing as the one true original god]. [https://imgur.com/a/AQppUyn Turned all other gods in the pantheon into demons]. [https://eirikrjs.blogspot.com/2016/08/apocalypse-artbook.html He is viewed as an omnipotent existence that created everything]<ref>Profile: The actual One God of monotheism. The One God praised by Judaism, Christianity and Islam. He is the omnipotent existence that created heaven and earth and made man in his own image, but this also means that together with the angels, his bunrei [subparts], he also gave birth to demons. By giving humans bodies of flesh and bone, their lives and fears were repeated in the endless cycle of death and rebirth, restricting their range of observation.</ref> [https://youtu.be/sBJn2IrfER4?t=171 A single manifestation head is so far beyond all of creation that not even his creations blades can harm him]<ref>The reason YHVH is harmed during this fight is due to humanity's [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|observation]] weakening him, as there's no reason for YHVH to be lying</ref>. [https://youtu.be/ijJFkJ6l058?t=85 YHVH is a being who created] [http://shmuplations.com/smt/ infinite universes], [https://youtu.be/ijJFkJ6l058?t=70 and exists beyond the very boundaries of time within the multiverse]. [https://imgur.com/hBzsNkT The multiverse is] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl2ZXAZeN3Q&t=19s&ab_channel=davidramons composed of] [https://youtu.be/XvzWQt8jmTA?t=22 information and] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP8oNYHRuJw&t=9995s&ab_channel=BuffMaister data], [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=1477 further proven with] [[Stephen (Shin Megami Tensei)|Stephen]] having attacks that can code beings that the world, this would make SMT a mathematical multiverse falling under the [[Multiverse#Max_Tegmark's_Multiverse|level 4 multiverse]], [https://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/crazy.html a multiverse where eevery possible mathematical structure and be described at some level], [https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/set-theory/ which would include any possible level of reality that can be conceived of using set theory]. Which would include planes such as Akarana Corridor [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=957 a void that transcends time and space], [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=886 with it requiring a special ritual to enter], where even the Herald of Yatagarasu cannot put Raidou into this place<ref>The Herald of Yatagarsu is [https://youtu.be/SJhzC5B5HGA?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=727 capable of teleporting Raidou into] The Expanse, [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 a place that transcends the past, present, and future] [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=98 of the multiverse] but cannot even reach this realm, along with this she [https://imgur.com/a/PxAg9xW exists a plane not apart of the human world], further showing how out of reach this plane is, [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=1043 it requires one normally to discard their human form and transcribe themselves otherwise they are threatened with being unstuck from time]</ref>, putting it beyond even The Expanse [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 a place that transcends the past, present, and future] [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=98 of the multiverse]. The true form views [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=246 the multiverse and his manifestation head are infinitesimal in size compared to him], and he exists as [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=165 an incomprehensible] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=450 transcendent being overseeing everything in his creation]. [https://youtu.be/L23HK4gdQY0?t=516 His universe is a place beyond reality that is more vague and more infinite then anything the cast has seen before] [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 which includes areas such as the expanse] and Akrana Corridor, and his single manifestation head. Along with this, [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=1862 humans observation has the potential to exceed] [[The Axiom]], [https://eirikrjs.blogspot.com/2016/08/apocalypse-artbook.html who exists in a realm beyond every other realm prior]<ref>Shioda: Is it correct to think that humanity was created by the Great Reason rather than by the gods?<br>Yamai: In the beginning, I believe, pure humans were made as observers of the universe. Then, as time passed, gods and polytheism appeared as the result of their perception of the surrounding world.<br>Miyata: Nozomi says at some point that it’s all right for people to be unsure, but in the underground it is believed that the gods are one of the answers hypothesised by humans. From her point of view, the gods are a symbol of the ideal imagined by humans and the perfect form envisioned by them as their target, their final point. Monotheism, on the other hand, only has one final target, but there are many ideals to pursue. This is tied to Nozomi’s lines above. It’s all right if there are bad guys and if there are good people, there will also be fickle ones. Nozomi’s credo is that everyone should choose their own destination.<br>Yamai: Even when talking about the creation of the universe, I think the birth of the Great Reason is beyond our ideals. The universe we can observe stretches over 130 billion light years, but we don’t know how it managed to appear from nothing. Gods like Izanagi, who birthed out of his eyes and nose, were perhaps a symbol of a farming culture, but they had a power that surpassed the humans’ power of understanding and I dare say that in the case of the Great Reason too, if emotions were to arise, those emotions themselves would become gods. I’m talking about that kind of creation. For example, the wish to be worshipped gave birth to [[YHVH]], or seeing the fights between humans signified the appearance of Lucifer. I think this is similar to the trends and movements born out of people’s shared consciousness nowadays. Let’s look at Japan’s concept of cuteness: if it spread throughout the whole world, maybe it would lead to the birth of a new god. I had this vague thought that the backbone of the Great Reason would begin like a pure baby who would pick up various emotions through touch, gradually learning about its surroundings.<br>Shioda: So it’s something along the lines of a god born out of the collective unconscious which came from shared awareness?<br>Yamai: That’s right, don’t you all just love it? (laughs)<br>Miyata: I certainly think there is some sort of huge collective unconscious, but I never really thought it might be connected to the Great Reason. And speaking of shared awareness, the scale would be quite small depending on the surroundings; the Japanese would have their shared awareness, but it would be different from that of foreigners. For example, even if the Japanese saw themselves as without religion, they’d look Buddhist to foreigners. This kind of thing leads me to think that the Great Reason is not at the surface of shared awareness, but belongs instead to an extremely deep part of the origin.<br>Shioda: I personally think that the term ‘bunrei’ [spirit divisions] often used to name gods in the story is extremely important in this game. The Great Reason is the origin. Does that make [[YHVH]] and all the other gods ‘bunrei’?<br>Yamai: Yes, it does. I think we can explain the existence of ‘bunrei’ through polytheism resulted from human perception. In the Celtic world, the druids saw Dagda as the forefather of sorcerers, but this was different for the Norse people or the Germanic culture. The people of each civilisation would see things as it fit them, so we got Odin instead. ‘Bunrei’ are born like this, but then again, treating Dagda and Odin as identical is wrong. Their powers and responsibilities are different, so it’s better for them to be thought of as different entities. Let’s have a look at [[YHVH]]: when he was born, humans perhaps observed [[YHVH]] himself, but once the scriptures were written, Uriel would be the one to be noticed and maybe that’s why he made so many appearances in their pages. Uriel frequently appearing as [[YHVH]]’s messenger also kind of feels like an accessory that comes to the front in order to preserve [[YHVH]]’s solemnity. But that is the result of the perception of later people, so we can also say that Uriel is a part [bunrei] of [[YHVH]].</ref>) |