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'''[[Grade]]:''' '''B''' | '''A''' | '''S'''


'''[[Tiering System|Tier]]:''' '''10-A''' | At least '''10-A''', possibly '''Higher''' | '''Unknown-B'''
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'''Key:''' '''Asriel Dreemurr''' | '''Fused with [[Chara]]'s SOUL''' | '''God of Hyper Death''' | '''Angel of Death'''
'''Key:''' '''Asriel Dreemurr''' | '''Fused with [[Chara]]'s SOUL''' | '''God of Hyper Death''' | '''Angel of Death'''
'''[[Grade]]:''' '''A''' | '''S''' | '''S''' | '''S'''


'''[[Tiering System|Tier]]:''' At least '''10-A''', possibly '''Higher''' | '''Unknown-B''' | '''2-C''' | '''2-C''', '''2-A''' [[Overtime Feats|overtime]]
'''[[Tiering System|Tier]]:''' At least '''10-A''', possibly '''Higher''' | '''Unknown-B''' | '''2-C''' | '''2-C''', '''2-A''' [[Overtime Feats|overtime]]
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'''[[Sheer Will]]''' ('''[[w:c:undertale:Determination|All holders with determination logically have large amounts of willpower]]'''), '''[[Time Travel| Time Travel & Timeline Hopping]]''' & '''[[Save and Load]]''' ([https://youtu.be/EoxUZmuZr8M?t=140 Travels back to a specific point in time while hopping through timelines], [https://youtu.be/RJ4kumxv_1k?t=4m8s users with a greater amount of determination can use this to save and load through all existing timelines]), Limited '''[[Reality Separation]]''' (Reality Separation; [https://youtu.be/LYzvhj8LDt8?t=10582 Exist outside of reality as shown in the scene where] '''[[Flowey|Photoshop Flowey]]''' creates a SAVE File that Frisk is outside of within his SAVE File is Frisk’s original SAVE File which Photoshop Flowey comes out of), '''[[Subjective Reality]]''' & '''[[Creation]]''' ('''[[w:c:undertale:Last Dream|Frisk can create “last dream” to heal themself]]'''), '''[[Information Manipulation]]''' (Total; [https://youtu.be/LYzvhj8LDt8?t=10570 Photoshop Flowey re-wrote the history of the war between monsters and humans]), '''[[Erasure]]''' (Space-Time Erasure; [https://youtu.be/LYzvhj8LDt8?t=10570 Erased all inhabitants of the current timeline and a save file]), '''[[Reality Warping]]''' ([https://youtu.be/9Kt2f5Lw21I?t=47 Determination is described as the power to re-shape the world], [https://youtu.be/LYzvhj8LDt8?t=10570 and Photoshop Flowey re-shaped the world in his own image]), Possible '''[[Fate Manipulation]]''' ([https://youtu.be/i9iW-kTNkKQ?t=56 Determination gives the user the ability to change fate itself], and events to allow them to live even outside of merely time traveling. Examples include [[Papyrus]]' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAwkGiCMx_I special attack suddenly taken over by the dog], [https://imgur.com/a/nT5mBij and Papyrus states that if special attack was used Frisk would've of died], [[Undyne]]'s failure to capture [[Frisk]] on multiple occasions due to Monster Kid bothering her or [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENp5abNXmHY&t=554s she uses random tactics such as letting a bridge's fall kill Frisk and not check to see if they died herself], and [[Napstablook]] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_IaF962b5c&t=290s showing up out of nowhere to save] [[Frisk]] during [[Mad Dummy]]), '''[[Statistics Amplification]]''' ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH05QKkk6Q8&t=725s Frisk used determination to continuously amp themselves to tank hits from Asriel's attacks and keep up with him in speed]), '''[[Regeneration Negation]]''' (Up to Low-Godly to Mid-Godly [https://youtu.be/y-bLD_K9Ayc?t=103 Genocide run Frisk was capable of permanently killing] '''[[Undyne|Undyne the Undying]]'''), '''[[Acausality]]''' (Unfixed Causality; [https://youtu.be/DZ0l3K70Gm8 One with very strong determination can remember resets]), '''[[Power Nullification]]''' (Passive. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kt2f5Lw21I Anyone with higher determination then another can overrride their powers.] The difference in DT allows them to nullify more abilities, though the standard is negating all time based abilities).
'''[[Sheer Will]]''' ('''[[w:c:undertale:Determination|All holders with determination logically have large amounts of willpower]]'''), '''[[Time Travel| Time Travel & Timeline Hopping]]''' & '''[[Save and Load]]''' ([https://youtu.be/EoxUZmuZr8M?t=140 Travels back to a specific point in time while hopping through timelines], [https://youtu.be/RJ4kumxv_1k?t=4m8s users with a greater amount of determination can use this to save and load through all existing timelines]), Limited '''[[Reality Separation]]''' (Reality Separation; [https://youtu.be/LYzvhj8LDt8?t=10582 Exist outside of reality as shown in the scene where] '''[[Flowey|Photoshop Flowey]]''' creates a SAVE File that Frisk is outside of within his SAVE File is Frisk’s original SAVE File which Photoshop Flowey comes out of), '''[[Subjective Reality]]''' & '''[[Creation]]''' ('''[[w:c:undertale:Last Dream|Frisk can create “last dream” to heal themself]]'''), '''[[Information Manipulation]]''' (Total; [https://youtu.be/LYzvhj8LDt8?t=10570 Photoshop Flowey re-wrote the history of the war between monsters and humans]), '''[[Erasure]]''' (Space-Time Erasure; [https://youtu.be/LYzvhj8LDt8?t=10570 Erased all inhabitants of the current timeline and a save file]), '''[[Reality Warping]]''' ([https://youtu.be/9Kt2f5Lw21I?t=47 Determination is described as the power to re-shape the world], [https://youtu.be/LYzvhj8LDt8?t=10570 and Photoshop Flowey re-shaped the world in his own image]), Possible '''[[Fate Manipulation]]''' ([https://youtu.be/i9iW-kTNkKQ?t=56 Determination gives the user the ability to change fate itself], and events to allow them to live even outside of merely time traveling. Examples include [[Papyrus]]' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAwkGiCMx_I special attack suddenly taken over by the dog], [https://imgur.com/a/nT5mBij and Papyrus states that if special attack was used Frisk would've of died], [[Undyne]]'s failure to capture [[Frisk]] on multiple occasions due to Monster Kid bothering her or [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENp5abNXmHY&t=554s she uses random tactics such as letting a bridge's fall kill Frisk and not check to see if they died herself], and [[Napstablook]] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_IaF962b5c&t=290s showing up out of nowhere to save] [[Frisk]] during [[Mad Dummy]]), '''[[Statistics Amplification]]''' ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH05QKkk6Q8&t=725s Frisk used determination to continuously amp themselves to tank hits from Asriel's attacks and keep up with him in speed]), '''[[Regeneration Negation]]''' (Up to Low-Godly to Mid-Godly [https://youtu.be/y-bLD_K9Ayc?t=103 Genocide run Frisk was capable of permanently killing] '''[[Undyne|Undyne the Undying]]'''), '''[[Acausality]]''' (Unfixed Causality; [https://youtu.be/DZ0l3K70Gm8 One with very strong determination can remember resets]), '''[[Power Nullification]]''' (Passive. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kt2f5Lw21I Anyone with higher determination then another can override their powers.] The difference in DT allows them to nullify more abilities, though the standard is negating all time based abilities).
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'''[[Resistance]]''' to '''[[Memory Manipulation]]''', '''[[Reality Warping]]''', & '''[[Time Manipulation]]''' ([https://youtu.be/DZ0l3K70Gm8 Unaffected by standard resets])
'''[[Resistance]]''' to '''[[Memory Manipulation]]''', '''[[Reality Warping]]''', & '''[[Time Manipulation]]''' ([https://youtu.be/DZ0l3K70Gm8 Unaffected by standard resets])
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Latest revision as of 06:42, 17 December 2024

Your Best Friend


Clever. Verrrryyy clever. You think you're really smart, don't you? In this world, it's kill or be killed. So you were able to play by your own rules. You spared the life of a single person. Hee hee hee... I bet you feel really great. You didn't kill anybody this time. But what will you do if you meet a relentless killer? You'll die and you'll die and you'll die. Until you tire of trying. What will you do then? Will you kill out of frustration? Or will you give up entirely on this world... ...and let ME inherit the power to control it? I am the prince of this world's future. Don't worry, my little monarch, my plan isn't regicide. This is SO much more interesting.
~ Flowey to Frisk if he didn't kill anyone thusfar

Background

Flowey the Flower, he is the main antagonist in Undertale. Despite his friendly appearance he's actually an evil, twisted being that loves to endlessly torture the world. Flowey is what you could also technically call a "sociopath" however, he does express some emotions whether that be or real or just a facade is not truly known.
This dropdown contains the synopsis of Flowey the Flower’s story. Read at your own risk as you may be spoiled otherwise!

Before the events of Undertale, Asriel found the fallen human, who was the first human to fall into the Underground. They became his adoptive sibling and best friend. Just before the human died, their last wish was to see the Golden Flowers of their village, on the Surface. Asriel absorbed their SOUL, and the human carried their own body across the barrier to their home village. Asriel and his sibling shared control of Asriel's body after their SOULs had combined.

The villagers assumed that the Asriel/Human fusion had attacked and killed the human child. The Asriel/Human fusion did not fight back but only fled. Lethally wounded, the Asriel/Human returned to the Underground and died. Once deceased, Asriel's body turned to dust, which spread across the garden in New Home.

Later, during the determination experiments, Alphys injected determination into one of the garden's Golden Flowers — the first one to bloom after Asriel's death. Initial experiments on the flower vessel proved unsuccessful, and Alphys returned it to Asgore. Not long after being replanted, Asriel awoke within the garden, reincarnated as Flowey.

Though the injection of determination granted Flowey the will to live, he soon found that neither his mother nor father could elicit any emotional response from him. He did not have a SOUL and thus could not feel love, joy, or compassion. He begins to reset an countless amount of times doing everything the world has to offer before eventually meeting Frisk.

Flowey introduces the concept of the Bullet Board and calls his bullets "friendliness pellets."

If the protagonist dodges three times, his friendly act slips and he hypocritically snaps at the protagonist for leeching off of him. The background music lowers by one semitone each time the bullets are dodged, before slowing, lowering the pitch, and stopping entirely. Before his third attack, Flowey questions the protagonist's mental capacity, before bellowing in frustration "RUN. INTO. THE. BULLETS!!!" before quickly looking directly at his text and changing the "BULLETS!!!" in the speech bubble to "friendliness pellets." If the protagonist runs into his bullets, he announces his central philosophy. Regardless of whether the protagonist dodged Flowey's bullets or not, he then attempts to kill the protagonist with an unavoidable ring of bullets, but Toriel intervenes and saves the protagonist.

If the protagonist killed Flowey on a previous Neutral Route (or if they aborted the Genocide Route, even if they spared him), he does not interact with them again until the protagonist reaches New Home again. If the protagonist spared him, he appears in the beginning of the Ruins again and advises them on what to do. If the protagonist gained EXP, he reminds them not to kill anyone. If the protagonist gained no EXP, he reminds them to befriend everyone. Resetting the game before completing a Neutral Route causes him to repeat his "tutorial" after assuming that the protagonist is pretending not to know who he is. Resetting again causes Flowey to become annoyed and question if the protagonist has anything better to do.

If the protagonist resets a Genocide Route at any point after exiting the Ruins and before the route's completion, Flowey says "Really, <Name>? Well, do what you will. I'll be waiting for you!" before leaving.

At the exit to the Ruins, Flowey judges the protagonist's actions up to that point. Flowey does not appear to judge the protagonist if he was killed in a previous Neutral Route or if the protagonist aborted the Genocide Route in a previous playthrough.

After the Ruins, Flowey is seemingly absent until the end of Asgore's battle. However, backtracking in some rooms allows the protagonist see Flowey burrowing back into the ground on the edge of the screen.

Flowey also leaves a message on an Echo Flower in the vertical room before the bridge in Waterfall that changes if the protagonist spared or killed Toriel.

If the protagonist decides to kill Asgore, Flowey appears, destroys Asgore's SOUL. If the protagonist spares Asgore, Flowey appears and kills Asgore himself. Either way, he absorbs the six bottled human SOULs and transforms into Photoshop Flowey. Then, the game crashes and Flowey's battle begins after opening the game again.

After he is defeated, the protagonist has the chance to spare or kill Flowey. Flowey requires the protagonist to offer him mercy multiple times before he flees, unsure why the protagonist is being nice to him.

If spared after his battle, Flowey gives advice to the protagonist on what to do during subsequent Neutral Routes. If the protagonist gained EXP before his battle, he asks the protagonist to prove his philosophy wrong, as he thinks it may be meaningless. Flowey also offers unique dialogue if the protagonist only killed Asgore and tells the protagonist that they wasted everyone's time. If the protagonist earned no EXP, yet they have not met all the requirements for the True Pacifist Route, he mentions that the protagonist should get closer to one of the main characters, depending on who they previously befriended.

The protagonist can then recover their previous SAVE file and follow his advice.

If the protagonist kills Flowey, he recognizes that the protagonist can kill before becoming "just a regular flower."

If he was killed after his battle, Flowey does not leave a message for the protagonist after the credits close, and, after a reset, does not appear until after the resolution of Asgore's battle. Flowey then berates the protagonist for thinking that killing him solved anything. He explains that he was brought back when the protagonist loaded their SAVE file and that they still cannot achieve their happy ending.

If the protagonist aborts the Genocide Route, Flowey becomes upset with the protagonist. However, he then proclaims that the protagonist just wanted to see everything in the Underground and will eventually return to their malicious ways.

If the protagonist loads or finishes another Neutral Route, Flowey does not absorb the SOULs because he knows that they would rebel again. Instead, the protagonist is able to exit the room and receive Sans's Neutral Route phone call.

In the Genocide Route, after the protagonist kills Toriel, Flowey tells them that they are not really human, and mistakes them for the first child, telling them that they are still inseparable after all those years.

When the protagonist reaches New Home, Flowey welcomes them and discusses his backstory as a flower and how he discovered his ability to SAVE. Near the end of his dialogue, he realizes that the protagonist will not hesitate to kill him, and he is frightened for his life. He rescinds his previous plans with the protagonist and tells them to leave him alone.

After the protagonist defeats Sans, they easily kill Asgore. Flowey destroys Asgore's SOUL and pledges himself to the protagonist one final time in an attempt to save his own life, revealing his true identity as Asriel in the process. He cries and begs the protagonist not to kill him and the player has the opportunity to spare him by quitting the game or deliver the final blow.

During the True Pacfisit Route, in the True Lab, the protagonist discovers that the first human and Asriel had worked together on a plan to get to the Surface and retrieve six human SOULs. While the human was on their deathbed, Asriel informed them he did not think it was a good plan anymore; ultimately, this leads to him betraying his sibling and aborting their plan.

After restoring the elevator's power, the protagonist receives a phone call from someone whose voice they have never heard before; the sound bite is similar to Asriel's.

General Information

Name: Flowey the Flower, "FLOWERY" by Papyrus, Photoshop Flowey

Origin: Undertale

Sex: Male

Age: Unknown

Classification: Flower, Brother of Chara, Prince of the Underground

Species: Plant

State of Being: Soulless (Flowey completely lacks a SOUL, which is the very culmination of one's being)

Occupation: None

Affiliations: Chara, Genocide Route Frisk

Enemies: Underground, Neutral and Pacfisit Route Frisk

Status: Alive

Alignment: Chaotic Evil (Flowey lacks a SOUL making him have no true emotions, allowing him to repeatedly kill everyone in the underground and reset again to the point that he's done it so many times that the world has nothing more to offer him)

Codex Statistics

Key: No Determination | With Determination | Photoshop Flowey

Grade: B | A | S

Tier: 10-A | At least 10-A, possibly Higher | Unknown-B

Cardinality: Finite

Dimensionality: 3-D

Attack Potency: Peak Human level (Due to Frisk coming, Flowey doesn't have any power to reset/load and can be easily defeated by a simple fireball from Toriel due to being a mere flower. Can cripple a low-determination Frisk who should be comparable to Chara who survived a fall from the mountain top), negates durability with attacks to the SOUL | At least Peak Human level, possibly Higher (Should scale to Frisk with determination) | Unknown: Powerful level (Overpowered Frisk's determination but to an unknown extent, absorbed the six human SOULS, giving him such power where he could crash the game of Undertale, and corrupt it entirely)

Durability: Peak Human level | At least Peak Human level, possibly Higher | Unknown: Powerful level

Striking Strength: Peak Human Class | At least Peak Human Class, possibly Higher | Unknown: Powerful Class

Lifting Strength: Unknown | Unknown | Unknown

Travel Speed: Unknown | Unknown | Unknown

Attack Speed: Transonic (Can tag Frisk) | Transonic | Transonic

Reaction Speed: Transonic | Transonic | Transonic

Stamina: Unknown normally, Pseudo-Limitless as Photoshop Flowey (Has the power to repeatedly reload save points, effectively making him able to spam attacks infinitely without ever being tired)

Range: Below Standard Melee physically, Several Meters with vines and pellets | Below Standard Melee physically, Several Meters with vines and pellets | Unknown physically, Thousands of Kilometers Absorption (Could absorb the SOULS of everyone in the underground), Multi-Universal Dimensional Travel (Can shift between timelines)

Intelligence: Unknown level

Knowledge: Grandmaster level (Flowey is incredibly clever, being able to manipulate many of the game's characters into doing exactly what he wants [via save function], due to living out almost every possible outcome and knowing exactly what certain individuals will do)


Powers and Techniques

Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Transformation (Body Morphing; Can contort and grow his head), Soullessness (Flowey completely lacks a SOUL, which is the very culmination of one's being), Plant Manipulation (Uses his various vines to stop puzzles to help out Frisk in the genocide route), Text Manipulation (Could change his text), Stealth Mastery (Was secretly following Frisk around during his entire journey without Frisk noticing him), Burrowing (Constantly burrows underground), Curtain Fire (Can shoot multiple bullet pellets), Magic (All monsters are confirmed to be made of magic, while Flowey himself isn't officially a monster he still is capable of using their magic powers and originated as a monster thus he should scale), Soul Manipulation & Essence Manipulation ( All monsters and humans can perform attacks that can damage the soul), 4th Wall Awareness (Aware that he's in a game), Absorption (Absorbed the six human souls, Monsters and humans can absorb souls as long as the person isn’t the same species as them). High Resistance to Soul Manipulation & Essence Manipulation ( Lacks a SOUL, lives only off of determination)


Equipment

None notable in his base state.

  • Six Human SOULS: With God of Hyper Death/Angel of Death Asriel and Photoshop Flowey, human SOULs come in several colors and are stronger than monsters' SOULs. For this reason, human SOULs persist after death. A human's SOUL is not the entirety of their being, but rather their essence, housed in a physical body. This is why humans are stronger than monsters when it comes to physical attacks. Alphys states that determination is a component of human SOULs, and she was able to extract it from the six fallen humans' SOULs. Due to determination, a human's SOUL is capable of maintaining its form after death.

Notable Techniques


  • Friendliness Pellets: Flowey forms pellets that he pretends are pellets used to share "LOVE". In reality they do a good deal of damage, instantly dropping Frisk's HP to 1.
  • SAVE: Ability all determination users have, but only the one with the most determination can use. Allows Flowey to travel through specific points in time, and as Photoshop Flowey travel through any point he saves at.

Other

Standard Tactics:

Flowey will attempt to lure the opponent in, pretending to be friendly and then hit them with one of his "friendliness pellets".

Weaknesses: A determination user with more determination then him can remove his powers. Upon gaining the six human souls, they will eventually fight back against him. All monsters are weak to an attack with killing intent behind it and if a monster doesn't want to fight, they are weakened greatly[6]. As God of Hyperdeath, a kind SOUL with enough Determination can reach out and make him remember who he once was. He does not take his opponent seriously and plays around.

Battle Records

1-2-1


  • Asgore Dreemurr - Fight
    • Conditions: Asgore was already heavily weakened from his fight with Frisk and had his guard down.
    • Location: New Home
    • Note: As noted Asgore was heavily weakened, due to his fight with Frisk, otherwise Flowey in his state would not be able to take him one on one.

References

  1. Undertale Gerson's Shop After Asriel Boss Fight
  2. While monsters are mostly made of magic, human beings are mostly made of water.
    Humans, with their physical forms, are far stronger than us.
    But they will never know the joy of expressing themselves through magic.
    They’ll never get a bullet-pattern birthday card...
  3. Because they are made of magic, monsters’ bodies are attuned to their SOUL.
    If a monster doesn’t want to fight, its defenses will weaken.
    And the crueler the intentions of our enemies, the more their attacks will hurt us.
    Therefore, if a being with a powerful SOUL struck with the desire to kill...
    Um, let’s end the chapter here...
  4. While monsters are mostly made of magic, human beings are mostly made of water.
    Humans, with their physical forms, are far stronger than us.
    But they will never know the joy of expressing themselves through magic.
    They’ll never get a bullet-pattern birthday card...
  5. Because they are made of magic, monsters’ bodies are attuned to their SOUL.
    If a monster doesn’t want to fight, its defenses will weaken.
    And the crueler the intentions of our enemies, the more their attacks will hurt us.
    Therefore, if a being with a powerful SOUL struck with the desire to kill...
    Um, let’s end the chapter here...
  6. Because they are made of magic, monsters’ bodies are attuned to their SOUL.
    If a monster doesn’t want to fight, its defenses will weaken.
    And the crueler the intentions of our enemies, the more their attacks will hurt us.
    Therefore, if a being with a powerful SOUL struck with the desire to kill...
    Um, let’s end the chapter here...