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| '''[[Dimensionality]]:''' '''3-D''' in his physical form, '''Devoid''' in his true state of existence ([https://youtu.be/vi1fb_eamfY?t=2535 Was given the body of a demon by the hands of Lucifer]. [https://youtu.be/4haQ5T9DoWk?list=PLDwjEcGRHRZ7pABsyzZ6bOKGshMroT93E&t=881 Demons embody the phenomena and beliefs of humans, with their physical forms only being created due to humanity's observation locking them into these forms], [https://youtu.be/mU1bTqbGlDg?t=364 and their true forms existing as the phenomena and beliefs they reside in]. [https://youtu.be/4haQ5T9DoWk?list=PLDwjEcGRHRZ7pABsyzZ6bOKGshMroT93E&t=881 Demons only have "forms" due to the observation of humanity] [https://youtu.be/CF9IHP0s0B4?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=1053 with even some demons being in the lowest form of humanity's observation making them unseeable without help], the "true forms" of demons are in truth [https://youtu.be/6064HUSmlT8?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=1150 without the concept of form], without observation [https://youtu.be/i1YhCwcb3GM?t=1155 they are not certain nor stable], [https://youtu.be/i1YhCwcb3GM?t=1155 are a phenomena without an answer] [https://youtu.be/i1YhCwcb3GM?t=1194 and are unbound by concepts such as truth] [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=1433 completely unshaped by reality]. [https://youtu.be/spraSlJLBXc?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=525 Demons under their observation forms embody concepts such as infinity] which they are free from in their true forms) | '''3-D''' in his physical form, '''Devoid''' in his true state of existence | '''3-D''' in his physical form, '''Devoid''' in his true state of existence | '''3-D''' in his physical form, '''Devoid''' as a true demon (Obtained the heart of a demon once locked in this ending) | | '''[[Dimensionality]]:''' '''3-D''' in his physical form, '''Devoid''' in his true state of existence ([https://youtu.be/vi1fb_eamfY?t=2535 Was given the body of a demon by the hands of Lucifer]. [https://youtu.be/4haQ5T9DoWk?list=PLDwjEcGRHRZ7pABsyzZ6bOKGshMroT93E&t=881 Demons embody the phenomena and beliefs of humans, with their physical forms only being created due to humanity's observation locking them into these forms], [https://youtu.be/mU1bTqbGlDg?t=364 and their true forms existing as the phenomena and beliefs they reside in]. [https://youtu.be/4haQ5T9DoWk?list=PLDwjEcGRHRZ7pABsyzZ6bOKGshMroT93E&t=881 Demons only have "forms" due to the observation of humanity] [https://youtu.be/CF9IHP0s0B4?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=1053 with even some demons being in the lowest form of humanity's observation making them unseeable without help], the "true forms" of demons are in truth [https://youtu.be/6064HUSmlT8?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=1150 without the concept of form], without observation [https://youtu.be/i1YhCwcb3GM?t=1155 they are not certain nor stable], [https://youtu.be/i1YhCwcb3GM?t=1155 are a phenomena without an answer] [https://youtu.be/i1YhCwcb3GM?t=1194 and are unbound by concepts such as truth] [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=1433 completely unshaped by reality]. [https://youtu.be/spraSlJLBXc?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=525 Demons under their observation forms embody concepts such as infinity] which they are free from in their true forms) | '''3-D''' in his physical form, '''Devoid''' in his true state of existence | '''3-D''' in his physical form, '''Devoid''' in his true state of existence | '''3-D''' in his physical form, '''Devoid''' as a true demon (Obtained the heart of a demon once locked in this ending) |
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| '''[[Attack Potency]]:''' '''Small Building level''' physically (As a messiah, he should possess similar strength to [[The Hero (Shin Megami Tensei)|The Hero]]. With the Magatamas [https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Wadatsumi '''Wadatsumi'''] and [https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Shiranui '''Shiranui'''] equipped, Demi-fiend has access to skills such as '''Ice Breath''' and '''Fire Breath''', which are similar to skills [https://youtu.be/qx5b3hFhTCQ?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=376 such as '''Agi''' skills], [https://youtu.be/0xYct8Y3Zqk?t=98 which can vaporize humans], [https://science.slashdot.org/story/13/09/13/2122208/it-takes-299-gigajoules-to-vaporize-a-human-body which result in this level of energy]. Also has skills similar to '''Bufu''', [https://youtu.be/0xYct8Y3Zqk?t=86 which can completely freeze opponents], [[Reference_for_Common_Feats#Freezing_a_Human|which is this powerful]]) to '''Universe level''' ([https://youtu.be/GD36X0fSY3c?t=428 Fought and defeated the] [[Matador (Megami Tensei)|Fiend Matador]], [https://youtu.be/fgvoSOsMsro?t=6920 who created and sustains his own realm]. [https://youtu.be/P9diMir4tmk?t=1164 Defeated Thor early on in his adventure, who is described as the mightiest of the Norse gods and] [https://youtu.be/6elodbFQd6w?t=168 is superior to Loki], who holds an entire universe as an extension of himself<ref>[http://ddstranslation.blogspot.com/2007/03/part-2-chapter-4.html Digital Devil Story 2: Warrior of the Demon City Part 2, Chapter 4] "The last demon to appear called himself Set, correct?" "Yes, that's right." "While it's too dangerous to try and conjecture the state of affairs in the demon world based on our own knowledge of this one, my theory is that the demon world is like a colloidal conglomeration of countless mini-universes, each centered around a powerful demon. Most likely, with Loki's death, the mini-universe in contact with Japan or Tokyo vanished, and Set's mini-universe entered to take its place. Demon summoning is just opening a contact point between the two worlds at the same time."</ref>. Should be superior to Morax, [https://youtu.be/DBcnBEyAp1c?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=517 who created] [https://youtu.be/JFbJuVsI3WU?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=781 and rules over his own realm] [https://youtu.be/DBcnBEyAp1c?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=1580 and controlled the sector], [https://youtu.be/DBcnBEyAp1c?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=828 being noted] [https://youtu.be/DBcnBEyAp1c?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=544 to be the energy source] [https://youtu.be/VMJCaN4nv3E?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2201 they were looking for], [https://youtu.be/VMJCaN4nv3E?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2445 said energy source is noted to control the entire sector], [https://youtu.be/VMJCaN4nv3E?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2374 and be linked to the sector like a magnet]. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2279&v=VMJCaN4nv3E&feature=youtu.be Each sector is a space-time plane layered atop each other], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMJCaN4nv3E&list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2212s being planes outside of the human worlds local space-time existing in a quantum tunnel], [https://youtu.be/KHbrN8kIyq0?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=946 along with being noted as parallel universes] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHbrN8kIyq0&list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2173s and other] [https://imgur.com/a/iAwBHgJ dimensions overlapping being isolated in time and space by enormous power] [https://youtu.be/JFbJuVsI3WU?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=764 being connected by quantum tunnels]. Should be comparable to the past messiahs), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] ([https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=1410 Observation can be used to massively amplify one's stats, such as when the early game] ''Shin Megami Tensei 1'' protagonist was amplified to be able to fight with all the other end game protagonists and fight Stephen) & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] ([https://imgur.com/a/MBUN2th A characters willpower in SMT allows them to increase greatly in strength allowing them to harm enemies they couldn't even scratch before and survive attacks that would have originally kill them], [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=2272 the will of one's friends and allies around them can invigorate one to become far more powerful then before]) | '''Universe level''' (Significantly stronger than before. [https://youtu.be/iHCZajcXADo?t=1452 Successfully defeated] [[Jack Frost|Black Frost]]), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | '''Simple Hierarchal Multiverse level''' ([https://youtu.be/pb1MmUpoNI4 Succeeded in annihilating the Archangels] [[Gabriel (Megami Tensei)|Gabriel]], [[Raphael (Megami Tensei)|Raphael]] and [[Uriel (Megami Tensei)|Uriel]] all at once, who are all among YHVH's highest ranking army. [https://youtu.be/PZ7fT0Xtb_4?t=665 Fought and harmed] [[Raidou Kuzunoha the XIV]] in combat, [https://youtu.be/PZ7fT0Xtb_4?t=705 forcing him to go all out at the end of his boss fight before Gouto intervened]. Impressed [[Gouto-Douji|Gouto]] enough for Demi-fiend to be considered among the Kuzunoha clan. Able to take on and [https://youtu.be/sQqsP_6X990?t=477 defeat] [https://youtu.be/bDGhJLCfLv0?t=678 Reason] [https://youtu.be/NUbx1Ws0I6I?t=962 bearers] such as [[Baal (Megami Tensei)|Baal's Avatar]], [[Isamu Nitta|Noah]], and [[Ahriman (Megami Tensei)|Ahriman]], [https://youtu.be/SG88ott9VzY a demon who appears as a high level end game demon in] ''Persona 2: Eternal Punishment''. Can [https://youtu.be/wf1Hp_51Tpk?t=715 destroy] and absorb [[Kagutsuchi (Megami Tensei)|Kagutsuchi's]] powers, [https://youtu.be/c_t3wbCKCho who created and sustains the Vortex world], which was resulted from him [https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Miroku_Scripture erasing the past, present and future of the universe], in order to construct the Vortex World in its foundations. [https://youtu.be/i7jFy187Fvk?t=1843 Kagutsuchi exists as the light that encompasses] [https://youtu.be/i7jFy187Fvk?t=987 and administers all of creation within the Amala universe that is said to contain countless worlds] [https://youtu.be/i7jFy187Fvk?t=1804 along with being the source to creation] [https://youtu.be/cJ834NlLbgg?t=1411 with his defeat causing the destruction of the Amala universe]. [https://imgur.com/a/isoUifN Merged the Demon World and the Divine World into the remnants of the human realm to create the Vortex World]; the Demon World, best known as the Expanse, [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 is a higher plane of existence that transcends past, present, and future] [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=98 of the multiverse]. With the power of Kagutsuchi, [https://youtu.be/gRFw29UIH98?t=198 Demi-fiend can shape the world based on his philosophical views on reality]), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | '''Simple Hierarchal Multiverse level''' (By rejecting all reason, Demi-fiend has become an agent of chaos; a demon of darkness that [[YHVH]] [https://youtu.be/_VRt9U-OeyM?t=87 would soon fear due to his vast capabilities], [https://youtu.be/UG6ok58y5VQ causing him to send Metatron to relay his warning to cut any ties with Lucifer]. [https://youtu.be/szzMTZaQlM8?t=2219 Trihumped against all the fiends and warriors of light that he came across throughout his journey], and by doing so, [https://youtu.be/szzMTZaQlM8?t=2340 received a portion of Lucifer's powers that unlocked his hidden potential]. Eliminated all the Reason bearers and Kagutsuchi himself before [https://youtu.be/jfqe779mTVg?t=1205 ultimately defeating a serious Lucifer], [https://youtu.be/jfqe779mTVg?t=1318 proving to him that he possessed the strength to take on The Great Will]. Destroying [[Kagutsuchi]] left the world in a void where "[https://youtu.be/B3_OsqKXf1k?t=256 creation is no longer possible]", [https://youtu.be/B3_OsqKXf1k?t=305 elimanating the of cycle of death and rebirth, in which it previously maintained the flow of time, and thus "time has met her death"]. [https://youtu.be/2QaBOX5nc7U?t=2433 Though as noted by Satan in ''Digital Devil Saga 2'' Demi-fiend was defeated by him]<ref>"I see you have chosen to retaliate, just as that man did..." more then likely refers to Demi-Fiend as the only other hero to retaliate against YHVH was Aleph, in which Satan making this comment would not make sense as Aleph kills Satan and YHVH within his journey, the only other likely choice would be Demi-fiend as he's the one that directly waged war with YHVH [https://youtu.be/2QaBOX5nc7U?t=2433 and Demi-fiend implied he was killed in Digital Devil Saga]</ref>. . [https://youtu.be/2QaBOX5nc7U?t=34 His solar data fought against the cast of] ''Digital Devil Saga 1'' but decisively lost. [https://youtu.be/vt9F5SxUWZ4?t=70 Contended with the] ''Shin Megami Tensei IMAGINE'' protagonist, [https://youtu.be/vt9F5SxUWZ4?t=763 though very likely held back]<ref>Note: The reasoning for this is that Demi-fiend in the prior two fights has his signature red glow state when he's close to defeat, showing that the characters are doing significant damage and harm to him and that he's fighting seriously, however in ''Shin Megami Tensei IMAGINE'' he simply falls on one knee and immediately gets back up, showing a very casual vision of the fight</ref>), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | | '''[[Attack Potency]]:''' '''Small Building level''' physically (As a messiah, he should possess similar strength to [[The Hero (Shin Megami Tensei)|The Hero]]. With the Magatamas [https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Wadatsumi '''Wadatsumi'''] and [https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Shiranui '''Shiranui'''] equipped, Demi-fiend has access to skills such as '''Ice Breath''' and '''Fire Breath''', which are similar to skills [https://youtu.be/qx5b3hFhTCQ?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=376 such as '''Agi''' skills], [https://youtu.be/0xYct8Y3Zqk?t=98 which can vaporize humans], [https://science.slashdot.org/story/13/09/13/2122208/it-takes-299-gigajoules-to-vaporize-a-human-body which result in this level of energy]. Also has skills similar to '''Bufu''', [https://youtu.be/0xYct8Y3Zqk?t=86 which can completely freeze opponents], [[Reference_for_Common_Feats#Freezing_a_Human|which is this powerful]]) to '''Universe level''' ([https://youtu.be/GD36X0fSY3c?t=428 Fought and defeated the] [[Matador (Megami Tensei)|Fiend Matador]], [https://youtu.be/fgvoSOsMsro?t=6920 who created and sustains his own realm]. [https://youtu.be/P9diMir4tmk?t=1164 Defeated Thor early on in his adventure, who is described as the mightiest of the Norse gods and] [https://youtu.be/6elodbFQd6w?t=168 is superior to Loki], who holds an entire universe as an extension of himself<ref>[http://ddstranslation.blogspot.com/2007/03/part-2-chapter-4.html Digital Devil Story 2: Warrior of the Demon City Part 2, Chapter 4] "The last demon to appear called himself Set, correct?" "Yes, that's right." "While it's too dangerous to try and conjecture the state of affairs in the demon world based on our own knowledge of this one, my theory is that the demon world is like a colloidal conglomeration of countless mini-universes, each centered around a powerful demon. Most likely, with Loki's death, the mini-universe in contact with Japan or Tokyo vanished, and Set's mini-universe entered to take its place. Demon summoning is just opening a contact point between the two worlds at the same time."</ref>. Should be superior to Morax, [https://youtu.be/DBcnBEyAp1c?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=517 who created] [https://youtu.be/JFbJuVsI3WU?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=781 and rules over his own realm] [https://youtu.be/DBcnBEyAp1c?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=1580 and controlled the sector], [https://youtu.be/DBcnBEyAp1c?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=828 being noted] [https://youtu.be/DBcnBEyAp1c?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=544 to be the energy source] [https://youtu.be/VMJCaN4nv3E?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2201 they were looking for], [https://youtu.be/VMJCaN4nv3E?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2445 said energy source is noted to control the entire sector], [https://youtu.be/VMJCaN4nv3E?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2374 and be linked to the sector like a magnet]. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2279&v=VMJCaN4nv3E&feature=youtu.be Each sector is a space-time plane layered atop each other], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMJCaN4nv3E&list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2212s being planes outside of the human worlds local space-time existing in a quantum tunnel], [https://youtu.be/KHbrN8kIyq0?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=946 along with being noted as parallel universes] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHbrN8kIyq0&list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=2173s and other] [https://imgur.com/a/iAwBHgJ dimensions overlapping being isolated in time and space by enormous power] [https://youtu.be/JFbJuVsI3WU?list=PLAV-xzjVBR0UtRCaE75gwmT465Rq_PTQ0&t=764 being connected by quantum tunnels]. Should be comparable to the past messiahs), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] ([https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=1410 Observation can be used to massively amplify one's stats, such as when the early game] ''Shin Megami Tensei 1'' protagonist was amplified to be able to fight with all the other end game protagonists and fight Stephen) & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] ([https://imgur.com/a/MBUN2th A characters willpower in SMT allows them to increase greatly in strength allowing them to harm enemies they couldn't even scratch before and survive attacks that would have originally kill them], [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=2272 the will of one's friends and allies around them can invigorate one to become far more powerful then before]) | '''Universe level''' (Significantly stronger than before. [https://youtu.be/iHCZajcXADo?t=1452 Successfully defeated] [[Jack Frost|Black Frost]]), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | '''Complex Multiverse level''' ([https://youtu.be/pb1MmUpoNI4 Succeeded in annihilating the Archangels] [[Gabriel (Megami Tensei)|Gabriel]], [[Raphael (Megami Tensei)|Raphael]] and [[Uriel (Megami Tensei)|Uriel]] all at once, who are all among YHVH's highest ranking army. [https://youtu.be/PZ7fT0Xtb_4?t=665 Fought and harmed] [[Raidou Kuzunoha the XIV]] in combat, [https://youtu.be/PZ7fT0Xtb_4?t=705 forcing him to go all out at the end of his boss fight before Gouto intervened]. Impressed [[Gouto-Douji|Gouto]] enough for Demi-fiend to be considered among the Kuzunoha clan. Able to take on and [https://youtu.be/sQqsP_6X990?t=477 defeat] [https://youtu.be/bDGhJLCfLv0?t=678 Reason] [https://youtu.be/NUbx1Ws0I6I?t=962 bearers] such as [[Baal (Megami Tensei)|Baal's Avatar]], [[Isamu Nitta|Noah]], and [[Ahriman (Megami Tensei)|Ahriman]], [https://youtu.be/SG88ott9VzY a demon who appears as a high level end game demon in] ''Persona 2: Eternal Punishment''. Can [https://youtu.be/wf1Hp_51Tpk?t=715 destroy] and absorb [[Kagutsuchi (Megami Tensei)|Kagutsuchi's]] powers, [https://youtu.be/c_t3wbCKCho who created and sustains the Vortex world], which was resulted from him [https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Miroku_Scripture erasing the past, present and future of the universe], in order to construct the Vortex World in its foundations. [https://youtu.be/i7jFy187Fvk?t=1843 Kagutsuchi exists as the light that encompasses] [https://youtu.be/i7jFy187Fvk?t=987 and administers all of creation within the Amala universe that is said to contain countless worlds] [https://youtu.be/i7jFy187Fvk?t=1804 along with being the source to creation] [https://youtu.be/cJ834NlLbgg?t=1411 with his defeat causing the destruction of the Amala universe]. [https://imgur.com/a/isoUifN Merged the Demon World and the Divine World into the remnants of the human realm to create the Vortex World]; the Demon World, best known as the Expanse, [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 is a higher plane of existence that transcends past, present, and future] [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=98 of the multiverse]. With the power of Kagutsuchi, [https://youtu.be/gRFw29UIH98?t=198 Demi-fiend can shape the world based on his philosophical views on reality]), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | '''Complex Multiverse level''' (By rejecting all reason, Demi-fiend has become an agent of chaos; a demon of darkness that [[YHVH]] [https://youtu.be/_VRt9U-OeyM?t=87 would soon fear due to his vast capabilities], [https://youtu.be/UG6ok58y5VQ causing him to send Metatron to relay his warning to cut any ties with Lucifer]. [https://youtu.be/szzMTZaQlM8?t=2219 Trihumped against all the fiends and warriors of light that he came across throughout his journey], and by doing so, [https://youtu.be/szzMTZaQlM8?t=2340 received a portion of Lucifer's powers that unlocked his hidden potential]. Eliminated all the Reason bearers and Kagutsuchi himself before [https://youtu.be/jfqe779mTVg?t=1205 ultimately defeating a serious Lucifer], [https://youtu.be/jfqe779mTVg?t=1318 proving to him that he possessed the strength to take on The Great Will]. Destroying [[Kagutsuchi]] left the world in a void where "[https://youtu.be/B3_OsqKXf1k?t=256 creation is no longer possible]", [https://youtu.be/B3_OsqKXf1k?t=305 elimanating the of cycle of death and rebirth, in which it previously maintained the flow of time, and thus "time has met her death"]. [https://youtu.be/2QaBOX5nc7U?t=2433 Though as noted by Satan in ''Digital Devil Saga 2'' Demi-fiend was defeated by him]<ref>"I see you have chosen to retaliate, just as that man did..." more then likely refers to Demi-Fiend as the only other hero to retaliate against YHVH was Aleph, in which Satan making this comment would not make sense as Aleph kills Satan and YHVH within his journey, the only other likely choice would be Demi-fiend as he's the one that directly waged war with YHVH [https://youtu.be/2QaBOX5nc7U?t=2433 and Demi-fiend implied he was killed in Digital Devil Saga]</ref>. . [https://youtu.be/2QaBOX5nc7U?t=34 His solar data fought against the cast of] ''Digital Devil Saga 1'' but decisively lost. [https://youtu.be/vt9F5SxUWZ4?t=70 Contended with the] ''Shin Megami Tensei IMAGINE'' protagonist, [https://youtu.be/vt9F5SxUWZ4?t=763 though very likely held back]<ref>Note: The reasoning for this is that Demi-fiend in the prior two fights has his signature red glow state when he's close to defeat, showing that the characters are doing significant damage and harm to him and that he's fighting seriously, however in ''Shin Megami Tensei IMAGINE'' he simply falls on one knee and immediately gets back up, showing a very casual vision of the fight</ref>), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] |
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| '''[[Durability]]:''' '''Small Building level''' physically (Able to survive hits from low tier Demons that have access to Bufu and Agi skills) to '''Universe level''' (Can survive hits from Thor), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | '''Universe level''' (Much more durable than before), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | '''Simple Hierarchal Multiverse level''' (Can endure beatings from end game demons and survive Kagutsuchi's light), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | '''Simple Hierarchal Multiverse level''' (Can take hits from the Digital Devil Saga cast. Was unaffected by the collapse of the Multiverse, only being unconscious for a brief period), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | | '''[[Durability]]:''' '''Small Building level''' physically (Able to survive hits from low tier Demons that have access to Bufu and Agi skills) to '''Universe level''' (Can survive hits from Thor), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | '''Universe level''' (Much more durable than before), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | '''Complex Multiverse level''' (Can endure beatings from end game demons and survive Kagutsuchi's light), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | '''Complex Multiverse level''' (Can take hits from the Digital Devil Saga cast. Was unaffected by the collapse of the Multiverse, only being unconscious for a brief period), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] |
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| '''[[Striking Strength]]:''' '''Small Building Class''' to '''Universe Class''' (Can physically strike down demons with no issues), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | '''Universe Class''', '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | '''Simple Hierarchal Multiverse Class''' (Can slide punch [[Kagutsuchi (Shin Megami Tensei)|Kagutsuchi]] into submission), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | '''Simple Hierarchal Multiverse Class''', '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | | '''[[Striking Strength]]:''' '''Small Building Class''' to '''Universe Class''' (Can physically strike down demons with no issues), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | '''Universe Class''', '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | '''Complex Multiverse Class''' (Can slide punch [[Kagutsuchi (Shin Megami Tensei)|Kagutsuchi]] into submission), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | '''Complex Multiverse Class''', '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] |
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| '''[[Lifting Strength]]:''' '''Superhuman''' (Should be comparable to [[The Hero (Shin Megami Tensei)|The Hero]]) | '''Superhuman''' | '''Superhuman''' | '''Cosmic''' (Became a full on demon of at least the powerful variety who can sustain a colloidal conglomeration of countless mini-universes, each centered around a powerful demon that is sustained by said demon and destroyed upon their death.<ref>[http://menasepublications.blogspot.com/2010/12/return-chapter-1.html Digital Devil Story 2: Warrior of the Demon City] Chapter 4 "Quickening" "I don't think so. From what I've just seen, there's no mistake that a magnetic field suitable for summoning a demon was set up. It may be that the reason no demon appeared was that it might have arrived in the Assiah world via a different magnetic field."<br>"There’re still some details about the mechanism for demon summoning that I don't really understand yet."<br>"Unusual words, coming from the genius that was the first to successfully summon a demon via a computer." Feed grinned broadly, but his expression soon turned grave as he looked directly at Nakajima.<br>"The last demon to appear called himself Set, correct?"<br>"Yes, that's right."<br>"While it's too dangerous to try and conjecture the state of affairs in the demon world based on our own knowledge of this one, my theory is that the demon world is like a colloidal conglomeration of countless mini-universes, each centered around a powerful demon. Most likely, with Loki's death, the mini-universe in contact with Japan or Tokyo vanished, and Set's mini-universe entered to take its place. Demon summoning is just opening a contact point between the two worlds at the same time."<br>"So what would happen if two contact points were opened at the same time?"<br>"The demon would decide where it wanted to appear. However, there are some examples in medieval records of demon summonings that report that when the difference in strength of the two magnetic fields was great enough, the demon would be pulled to the stronger field, regardless of which it wanted to go to..."</ref>) | | '''[[Lifting Strength]]:''' '''Superhuman''' (Should be comparable to [[The Hero (Shin Megami Tensei)|The Hero]]) | '''Superhuman''' | '''Superhuman''' | '''Cosmic''' (Became a full on demon of at least the powerful variety who can sustain a colloidal conglomeration of countless mini-universes, each centered around a powerful demon that is sustained by said demon and destroyed upon their death.<ref>[http://menasepublications.blogspot.com/2010/12/return-chapter-1.html Digital Devil Story 2: Warrior of the Demon City] Chapter 4 "Quickening" "I don't think so. From what I've just seen, there's no mistake that a magnetic field suitable for summoning a demon was set up. It may be that the reason no demon appeared was that it might have arrived in the Assiah world via a different magnetic field."<br>"There’re still some details about the mechanism for demon summoning that I don't really understand yet."<br>"Unusual words, coming from the genius that was the first to successfully summon a demon via a computer." Feed grinned broadly, but his expression soon turned grave as he looked directly at Nakajima.<br>"The last demon to appear called himself Set, correct?"<br>"Yes, that's right."<br>"While it's too dangerous to try and conjecture the state of affairs in the demon world based on our own knowledge of this one, my theory is that the demon world is like a colloidal conglomeration of countless mini-universes, each centered around a powerful demon. Most likely, with Loki's death, the mini-universe in contact with Japan or Tokyo vanished, and Set's mini-universe entered to take its place. Demon summoning is just opening a contact point between the two worlds at the same time."<br>"So what would happen if two contact points were opened at the same time?"<br>"The demon would decide where it wanted to appear. However, there are some examples in medieval records of demon summonings that report that when the difference in strength of the two magnetic fields was great enough, the demon would be pulled to the stronger field, regardless of which it wanted to go to..."</ref>) |
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| '''[[Range]]:''' '''Standard Melee Range''' (Does not have any melee weapons of some kind and solely relies on slide punching to deal damage physically), '''Kilometers''' with various spells (Can summon tornadoes and use spells similarly to ones such as Agi and Bufu), '''Simple Hierarchal Multiversal''' to At least '''Meta Hierarchal Multiversal''' through Demon Summoning and Observation (Able to summon demons from the Expanse, a metaphysical realm that transcends time and can be used to travel throughout the multiverse. [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=490 Can affect beings such as] [[YHVH]] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=526 through their observation]. [[YHVH]] [https://imgur.com/a/eNIH9qI is the progenitor of all gods and all religions from all around the world, existing as the one true original god]. [https://imgur.com/a/AQppUyn Turned all other gods in the pantheon into demons]. [https://eirikrjs.blogspot.com/2016/08/apocalypse-artbook.html He is viewed as an omnipotent existence that created everything]<ref>Profile: The actual One God of monotheism. The One God praised by Judaism, Christianity and Islam. He is the omnipotent existence that created heaven and earth and made man in his own image, but this also means that together with the angels, his bunrei [subparts], he also gave birth to demons. By giving humans bodies of flesh and bone, their lives and fears were repeated in the endless cycle of death and rebirth, restricting their range of observation.</ref> [https://youtu.be/sBJn2IrfER4?t=171 A single manifestation head is so far beyond all of creation that not even his creations blades can harm him]<ref>The reason YHVH is harmed during this fight is due to humanity's [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|observation]] weakening him, as there's no reason for YHVH to be lying</ref>. [https://youtu.be/ijJFkJ6l058?t=85 YHVH is a being who created] [http://shmuplations.com/smt/ infinite universes], [https://youtu.be/ijJFkJ6l058?t=70 and exists beyond the very boundaries of time within the multiverse]. [https://imgur.com/hBzsNkT The multiverse is] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl2ZXAZeN3Q&t=19s&ab_channel=davidramons composed of] [https://youtu.be/XvzWQt8jmTA?t=22 information and] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP8oNYHRuJw&t=9995s&ab_channel=BuffMaister data], [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=1477 further proven with] [[Stephen (Shin Megami Tensei)|Stephen]] having attacks that can code beings that the world, this would make SMT a mathematical multiverse falling under the [[Multiverse#Max_Tegmark's_Multiverse|level 4 multiverse]], [https://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/crazy.html a multiverse where every possible mathematical structure and be described at some level], [https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/set-theory/ which would include any possible level of reality that can be conceived of using set theory]. Which would include planes such as Akarana Corridor [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=957 a void that transcends time and space], [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=886 with it requiring a special ritual to enter], where even the Herald of Yatagarasu cannot put Raidou into this place<ref>The Herald of Yatagarsu is [https://youtu.be/SJhzC5B5HGA?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=727 capable of teleporting Raidou into] The Expanse, [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 a place that transcends the past, present, and future] [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=98 of the multiverse] but cannot even reach this realm, along with this she [https://imgur.com/a/PxAg9xW exists a plane not apart of the human world], further showing how out of reach this plane is, [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=1043 it requires one normally to discard their human form and transcribe themselves otherwise they are threatened with being unstuck from time]</ref>, putting it beyond even The Expanse [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 a place that transcends the past, present, and future] [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=98 of the multiverse]. The true form views [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=246 the multiverse and his manifestation head are infinitesimal in size compared to him], and he exists as [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=165 an incomprehensible] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=450 transcendent being overseeing everything in his creation]. [https://youtu.be/L23HK4gdQY0?t=516 His universe is a place beyond reality that is more vague and more infinite then anything the cast has seen before] [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 which includes areas such as the expanse] and Akrana Corridor, and his single manifestation head. Along with this, [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=1862 humans observation has the potential to exceed] [[The Axiom]], [https://eirikrjs.blogspot.com/2016/08/apocalypse-artbook.html who exists in a realm beyond every other realm prior]<Ref>Shioda: Is it correct to think that humanity was created by the Great Reason rather than by the gods?<br>Yamai: In the beginning, I believe, pure humans were made as observers of the universe. Then, as time passed, gods and polytheism appeared as the result of their perception of the surrounding world.<br>Miyata: Nozomi says at some point that it’s all right for people to be unsure, but in the underground it is believed that the gods are one of the answers hypothesised by humans. From her point of view, the gods are a symbol of the ideal imagined by humans and the perfect form envisioned by them as their target, their final point. Monotheism, on the other hand, only has one final target, but there are many ideals to pursue. This is tied to Nozomi’s lines above. It’s all right if there are bad guys and if there are good people, there will also be fickle ones. Nozomi’s credo is that everyone should choose their own destination.<br>Yamai: Even when talking about the creation of the universe, I think the birth of the Great Reason is beyond our ideals. The universe we can observe stretches over 130 billion light years, but we don’t know how it managed to appear from nothing. Gods like Izanagi, who birthed out of his eyes and nose, were perhaps a symbol of a farming culture, but they had a power that surpassed the humans’ power of understanding and I dare say that in the case of the Great Reason too, if emotions were to arise, those emotions themselves would become gods. I’m talking about that kind of creation. For example, the wish to be worshipped gave birth to [[YHVH]], or seeing the fights between humans signified the appearance of Lucifer. I think this is similar to the trends and movements born out of people’s shared consciousness nowadays. Let’s look at Japan’s concept of cuteness: if it spread throughout the whole world, maybe it would lead to the birth of a new god. I had this vague thought that the backbone of the Great Reason would begin like a pure baby who would pick up various emotions through touch, gradually learning about its surroundings.<br>Shioda: So it’s something along the lines of a god born out of the collective unconscious which came from shared awareness?<br>Yamai: That’s right, don’t you all just love it? (laughs)<br>Miyata: I certainly think there is some sort of huge collective unconscious, but I never really thought it might be connected to the Great Reason. And speaking of shared awareness, the scale would be quite small depending on the surroundings; the Japanese would have their shared awareness, but it would be different from that of foreigners. For example, even if the Japanese saw themselves as without religion, they’d look Buddhist to foreigners. This kind of thing leads me to think that the Great Reason is not at the surface of shared awareness, but belongs instead to an extremely deep part of the origin.<br>Shioda: I personally think that the term ‘bunrei’ [spirit divisions] often used to name gods in the story is extremely important in this game. The Great Reason is the origin. Does that make [[YHVH]] and all the other gods ‘bunrei’?<br>Yamai: Yes, it does. I think we can explain the existence of ‘bunrei’ through polytheism resulted from human perception. In the Celtic world, the druids saw Dagda as the forefather of sorcerers, but this was different for the Norse people or the Germanic culture. The people of each civilisation would see things as it fit them, so we got Odin instead. ‘Bunrei’ are born like this, but then again, treating Dagda and Odin as identical is wrong. Their powers and responsibilities are different, so it’s better for them to be thought of as different entities. Let’s have a look at [[YHVH]]: when he was born, humans perhaps observed [[YHVH]] himself, but once the scriptures were written, Uriel would be the one to be noticed and maybe that’s why he made so many appearances in their pages. Uriel frequently appearing as [[YHVH]]’s messenger also kind of feels like an accessory that comes to the front in order to preserve [[YHVH]]’s solemnity. But that is the result of the perception of later people, so we can also say that Uriel is a part [bunrei] of [[YHVH]].</ref>) | | '''[[Range]]:''' '''Standard Melee Range''' (Does not have any melee weapons of some kind and solely relies on slide punching to deal damage physically), '''Kilometers''' with various spells (Can summon tornadoes and use spells similarly to ones such as Agi and Bufu), '''Complex Multiversal''' to At least '''Mathematical Multiversal''' through Demon Summoning and Observation (Able to summon demons from the Expanse, a metaphysical realm that transcends time and can be used to travel throughout the multiverse. [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=490 Can affect beings such as] [[YHVH]] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=526 through their observation]. [[YHVH]] [https://imgur.com/a/eNIH9qI is the progenitor of all gods and all religions from all around the world, existing as the one true original god]. [https://imgur.com/a/AQppUyn Turned all other gods in the pantheon into demons]. [https://eirikrjs.blogspot.com/2016/08/apocalypse-artbook.html He is viewed as an omnipotent existence that created everything]<ref>Profile: The actual One God of monotheism. The One God praised by Judaism, Christianity and Islam. He is the omnipotent existence that created heaven and earth and made man in his own image, but this also means that together with the angels, his bunrei [subparts], he also gave birth to demons. By giving humans bodies of flesh and bone, their lives and fears were repeated in the endless cycle of death and rebirth, restricting their range of observation.</ref> [https://youtu.be/sBJn2IrfER4?t=171 A single manifestation head is so far beyond all of creation that not even his creations blades can harm him]<ref>The reason YHVH is harmed during this fight is due to humanity's [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|observation]] weakening him, as there's no reason for YHVH to be lying</ref>. [https://youtu.be/ijJFkJ6l058?t=85 YHVH is a being who created] [http://shmuplations.com/smt/ infinite universes], [https://youtu.be/ijJFkJ6l058?t=70 and exists beyond the very boundaries of time within the multiverse]. [https://imgur.com/hBzsNkT The multiverse is] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl2ZXAZeN3Q&t=19s&ab_channel=davidramons composed of] [https://youtu.be/XvzWQt8jmTA?t=22 information and] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP8oNYHRuJw&t=9995s&ab_channel=BuffMaister data], [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=1477 further proven with] [[Stephen (Shin Megami Tensei)|Stephen]] having attacks that can code beings that the world, this would make SMT a mathematical multiverse falling under the [[Multiverse#Max_Tegmark's_Multiverse|level 4 multiverse]], [https://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/crazy.html a multiverse where every possible mathematical structure and be described at some level], [https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/set-theory/ which would include any possible level of reality that can be conceived of using set theory]. Which would include planes such as Akarana Corridor [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=957 a void that transcends time and space], [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=886 with it requiring a special ritual to enter], where even the Herald of Yatagarasu cannot put Raidou into this place<ref>The Herald of Yatagarsu is [https://youtu.be/SJhzC5B5HGA?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=727 capable of teleporting Raidou into] The Expanse, [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 a place that transcends the past, present, and future] [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=98 of the multiverse] but cannot even reach this realm, along with this she [https://imgur.com/a/PxAg9xW exists a plane not apart of the human world], further showing how out of reach this plane is, [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=1043 it requires one normally to discard their human form and transcribe themselves otherwise they are threatened with being unstuck from time]</ref>, putting it beyond even The Expanse [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 a place that transcends the past, present, and future] [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=98 of the multiverse]. The true form views [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=246 the multiverse and his manifestation head are infinitesimal in size compared to him], and he exists as [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=165 an incomprehensible] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=450 transcendent being overseeing everything in his creation]. [https://youtu.be/L23HK4gdQY0?t=516 His universe is a place beyond reality that is more vague and more infinite then anything the cast has seen before] [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 which includes areas such as the expanse] and Akrana Corridor, and his single manifestation head. Along with this, [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=1862 humans observation has the potential to exceed] [[The Axiom]], [https://eirikrjs.blogspot.com/2016/08/apocalypse-artbook.html who exists in a realm beyond every other realm prior]<Ref>Shioda: Is it correct to think that humanity was created by the Great Reason rather than by the gods?<br>Yamai: In the beginning, I believe, pure humans were made as observers of the universe. Then, as time passed, gods and polytheism appeared as the result of their perception of the surrounding world.<br>Miyata: Nozomi says at some point that it’s all right for people to be unsure, but in the underground it is believed that the gods are one of the answers hypothesised by humans. From her point of view, the gods are a symbol of the ideal imagined by humans and the perfect form envisioned by them as their target, their final point. Monotheism, on the other hand, only has one final target, but there are many ideals to pursue. This is tied to Nozomi’s lines above. It’s all right if there are bad guys and if there are good people, there will also be fickle ones. Nozomi’s credo is that everyone should choose their own destination.<br>Yamai: Even when talking about the creation of the universe, I think the birth of the Great Reason is beyond our ideals. The universe we can observe stretches over 130 billion light years, but we don’t know how it managed to appear from nothing. Gods like Izanagi, who birthed out of his eyes and nose, were perhaps a symbol of a farming culture, but they had a power that surpassed the humans’ power of understanding and I dare say that in the case of the Great Reason too, if emotions were to arise, those emotions themselves would become gods. I’m talking about that kind of creation. For example, the wish to be worshipped gave birth to [[YHVH]], or seeing the fights between humans signified the appearance of Lucifer. I think this is similar to the trends and movements born out of people’s shared consciousness nowadays. Let’s look at Japan’s concept of cuteness: if it spread throughout the whole world, maybe it would lead to the birth of a new god. I had this vague thought that the backbone of the Great Reason would begin like a pure baby who would pick up various emotions through touch, gradually learning about its surroundings.<br>Shioda: So it’s something along the lines of a god born out of the collective unconscious which came from shared awareness?<br>Yamai: That’s right, don’t you all just love it? (laughs)<br>Miyata: I certainly think there is some sort of huge collective unconscious, but I never really thought it might be connected to the Great Reason. And speaking of shared awareness, the scale would be quite small depending on the surroundings; the Japanese would have their shared awareness, but it would be different from that of foreigners. For example, even if the Japanese saw themselves as without religion, they’d look Buddhist to foreigners. This kind of thing leads me to think that the Great Reason is not at the surface of shared awareness, but belongs instead to an extremely deep part of the origin.<br>Shioda: I personally think that the term ‘bunrei’ [spirit divisions] often used to name gods in the story is extremely important in this game. The Great Reason is the origin. Does that make [[YHVH]] and all the other gods ‘bunrei’?<br>Yamai: Yes, it does. I think we can explain the existence of ‘bunrei’ through polytheism resulted from human perception. In the Celtic world, the druids saw Dagda as the forefather of sorcerers, but this was different for the Norse people or the Germanic culture. The people of each civilisation would see things as it fit them, so we got Odin instead. ‘Bunrei’ are born like this, but then again, treating Dagda and Odin as identical is wrong. Their powers and responsibilities are different, so it’s better for them to be thought of as different entities. Let’s have a look at [[YHVH]]: when he was born, humans perhaps observed [[YHVH]] himself, but once the scriptures were written, Uriel would be the one to be noticed and maybe that’s why he made so many appearances in their pages. Uriel frequently appearing as [[YHVH]]’s messenger also kind of feels like an accessory that comes to the front in order to preserve [[YHVH]]’s solemnity. But that is the result of the perception of later people, so we can also say that Uriel is a part [bunrei] of [[YHVH]].</ref>) |
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| '''[[Intelligence]]:''' '''Extraordinary Genius''' (Despite his naive demeanor, he is no slouch in intelligence [https://youtu.be/xAfj8dcbEYU?t=3116 as Lucifer specifically chose him because of his potential to grow] [https://youtu.be/B3_OsqKXf1k?t=459 and dethrone The Great Will while leading entire races of Demons to a new future.] The Demi-fiend is someone of great navigational skills; being able to traverse through otherworldly locations such as the Amala Network, which is filled with loopholes and mazes that disorients any normal people. Along with that, he has no problem traveling through the Vortex World, which was formally Tokyo now fused with the Expanse and filled with Demons. His puzzle solving skills are considerably superb as well, [https://youtu.be/tEmsZPDJsdc as he was able to succeed through a long, frustrating, and possibly the most difficult puzzle in the game]; moreover, he is able to [https://youtu.be/PZ7fT0Xtb_4?t=162 keep a casual Raidou Kuzunoha the XIV at bay by setting up traps for him and outmaneuvering him in the process]. Raidou is a trained and skilled detective with expertise in firearms and swordplay. Fought against Raidou twice, the latter of which's partner, Goutou, [https://youtu.be/eT69uzcI98Y?t=1032 was so impressed by his strength that he considered him worthy enough to join the Kuzunoha clan]. Can negotiate with demons and get them to join his cause and can defeat demons/gods of myth who hold millennia of experience in combat. Defeated [[Kagutsuchi (Shin Megami Tensei)|Kagutsuchi]], and guided the entire Demon race in a war against the [[YHVH|Great Will]]). '''Cosmic''' with Kagutsuchi's powers (Has the power and essence of Kagutsuchi absorbed into him, allowing him to become the god of the new world. Kagutsuchi [https://youtu.be/i7jFy187Fvk?t=987 Exists throughout, and administers an infinite number of universes, and is aware of events happening across the entirety of creation, with all of Kagutsuchi's infinite manifestations sharing a single consciousness]) | | '''[[Intelligence]]:''' '''Extraordinary Genius''' (Despite his naive demeanor, he is no slouch in intelligence [https://youtu.be/xAfj8dcbEYU?t=3116 as Lucifer specifically chose him because of his potential to grow] [https://youtu.be/B3_OsqKXf1k?t=459 and dethrone The Great Will while leading entire races of Demons to a new future.] The Demi-fiend is someone of great navigational skills; being able to traverse through otherworldly locations such as the Amala Network, which is filled with loopholes and mazes that disorients any normal people. Along with that, he has no problem traveling through the Vortex World, which was formally Tokyo now fused with the Expanse and filled with Demons. His puzzle solving skills are considerably superb as well, [https://youtu.be/tEmsZPDJsdc as he was able to succeed through a long, frustrating, and possibly the most difficult puzzle in the game]; moreover, he is able to [https://youtu.be/PZ7fT0Xtb_4?t=162 keep a casual Raidou Kuzunoha the XIV at bay by setting up traps for him and outmaneuvering him in the process]. Raidou is a trained and skilled detective with expertise in firearms and swordplay. Fought against Raidou twice, the latter of which's partner, Goutou, [https://youtu.be/eT69uzcI98Y?t=1032 was so impressed by his strength that he considered him worthy enough to join the Kuzunoha clan]. Can negotiate with demons and get them to join his cause and can defeat demons/gods of myth who hold millennia of experience in combat. Defeated [[Kagutsuchi (Shin Megami Tensei)|Kagutsuchi]], and guided the entire Demon race in a war against the [[YHVH|Great Will]]). '''Cosmic''' with Kagutsuchi's powers (Has the power and essence of Kagutsuchi absorbed into him, allowing him to become the god of the new world. Kagutsuchi [https://youtu.be/i7jFy187Fvk?t=987 Exists throughout, and administers an infinite number of universes, and is aware of events happening across the entirety of creation, with all of Kagutsuchi's infinite manifestations sharing a single consciousness]) |
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| '''[[Attack Potency]]:''' '''Meta Hierarchal Multiverse level''', likely '''Higher''' ([https://youtu.be/defQEm2-A3g?t=1386 Empowered by Nanashi's observation, reforming him back to his original self]. [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=2684 Fought against a fully powered] [[Stephen (Shin Megami Tensei)|Stephen]] alongside the other Messiahs and managed to satisfy him after a long battle, proving to him that they had the potential to exceed [[The Axiom]]. [https://eirikrjs.blogspot.com/2016/08/apocalypse-artbook.html Stephen gained a small glimpse of]<ref>Shioda: Professor Matsuda didn’t even have a character design in the preliminary stages.<br>Miyata: It’s shocking that so few people realised professor Matsuda was actually Stephen.<br>Shioda: That was shocking indeed, and they even had the same voice actor (laughs). What kind of device is the Shesha radar in Hibiya?<br>Miyata: I saw news the other day about the success of the detection of gravitational waves and this radar works on the same principle. There is a huge empty lot underneath Hibiya named ‘multi-purpose underground utility conduit’ and it is presumed that that is where Stephen built his detector.<br>Yamai: Because the device related to the elementary particles is extremely big.<br>Miyata: He also needed a secure place, and the underground was much safer than the streets dominated by demons. It is explained in the beginning of SMT4A that the multi-purpose underground utility conduit has been abandoned because of the battle of gods and the underground empty space remained as it is. I figured it was just right, since the new headquarters of the Hunter Association in Kasumigaseki is close enough, but I didn’t think gravitational waves would be discovered so fast when I was writing the setting.<br>Yamai: Stephen travels through various parallel worlds, so I believe it is possible for him to discover gravitational waves, since he makes contact with all kinds of technological developments.<br>Miyata: Gravitational waves appear anywhere in the universe when stars reach the end of their lives and explode, but every time Shesha warped to a different universe and a different dimension, there were weak gravitational waves released possible to detect.<br>Shioda: Since Stephen is also the creator of the terminals and the Demon Summoning Program, related to the Yamato Perpetual Reactor, it’s easy to say he is the biggest mystery of the Megaten series.<br>Yamai: What is clear is that Stephen is the same person across the series. Shin Megami Tensei and Shin Megami Tensei II are related, while Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne and Shin Megami Tensei IV are each in their own universes, but we can argue that he is the only one to cross space and time and visit each universe. I think the beginning was the universe created in Shin Megami Tensei, but we have no intention to give a clear answer on such a personal matter. As for the details of his arrival in the Shin Megami Tensei IV world, when he was researching the Demon Summoning Program and the Matter Transfer System he got connected by coincidence to the Expanse, demons showed up and hurt him badly, which led to him being now dependent on a wheelchair.<br>Shioda: This time he talks about the aim of the Great Reason in the end. Do you think he has met the Great Reason?<br>*From Dijeh (Basically just a translators note): The term used here is NOT the Great Will. The Japanese for Great Will [of the Universe] is either “宇宙の大いなる意志” or just “大いなる意志” in previous games in the series, while in SMT4F and this interview, the term is 大いなる理; the kanji used are easily distinguishable: 意志 vs. 理. For more about the distinction, see Will and Li.<br>Yamai: From the perspective of Shin Megami Tensei, the Stephen of Shin Megami Tensei IV is one of the possibilities, but we can say it was possible for him to have met the Great Reason. Of course, from the perspective of Shin Megami Tensei IV’s Stephen, I think we can say Shin Megami Tensei is also a possibility.<br>Miyata: Stephen’s position allows him to catch a glimpse of a small part of the Great Reason’s movement. When he passed through time and space and made contact with the Great Reason, he interpreted things in his own way.</ref> [[The Axiom]] [https://eirikrjs.blogspot.com/2016/08/apocalypse-artbook.html through transcending the infinite Cycle of Transmigration]<ref>Yamai: When you reach the battle with VISHNUFLYNN, there is a reference point of the soul, where it either enters or departs from the circle of transmigration. Nanashi is in the middle of that circle, he is a human just like us. That is the reference. Beings like Stephen, Mido, or the Count of Saint Germain left the circle of transmigration, and I think that is why they could get in contact with the Great Reason.<br>Shioda: In Buddhism, leaving the circle of transmigration equals reaching Nirvana and becoming a buddha.<br>Yamai: That’s right. This time, in order for the Divine Powers to succeed, various currents of thought from all kinds of countries and religions come into play. The Buddhist view on reincarnation is one of them and our setting is not biased towards it, but the soul itself is something important for the gods. Shin Megami Tensei IV adopts a quantum theory approach according to which gods exist thanks to human perception, and religious beliefs are one part of that.</ref>, which would make him comparable to Matter Lucifer [https://imgur.com/a/RaKpWpT who transcended into a higher plane of existence beyond even] [[YHVH]]). '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | | '''[[Attack Potency]]:''' '''Mathematical Multiverse level''', likely '''Higher''' ([https://youtu.be/defQEm2-A3g?t=1386 Empowered by Nanashi's observation, reforming him back to his original self]. [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=2684 Fought against a fully powered] [[Stephen (Shin Megami Tensei)|Stephen]] alongside the other Messiahs and managed to satisfy him after a long battle, proving to him that they had the potential to exceed [[The Axiom]]. [https://eirikrjs.blogspot.com/2016/08/apocalypse-artbook.html Stephen gained a small glimpse of]<ref>Shioda: Professor Matsuda didn’t even have a character design in the preliminary stages.<br>Miyata: It’s shocking that so few people realised professor Matsuda was actually Stephen.<br>Shioda: That was shocking indeed, and they even had the same voice actor (laughs). What kind of device is the Shesha radar in Hibiya?<br>Miyata: I saw news the other day about the success of the detection of gravitational waves and this radar works on the same principle. There is a huge empty lot underneath Hibiya named ‘multi-purpose underground utility conduit’ and it is presumed that that is where Stephen built his detector.<br>Yamai: Because the device related to the elementary particles is extremely big.<br>Miyata: He also needed a secure place, and the underground was much safer than the streets dominated by demons. It is explained in the beginning of SMT4A that the multi-purpose underground utility conduit has been abandoned because of the battle of gods and the underground empty space remained as it is. I figured it was just right, since the new headquarters of the Hunter Association in Kasumigaseki is close enough, but I didn’t think gravitational waves would be discovered so fast when I was writing the setting.<br>Yamai: Stephen travels through various parallel worlds, so I believe it is possible for him to discover gravitational waves, since he makes contact with all kinds of technological developments.<br>Miyata: Gravitational waves appear anywhere in the universe when stars reach the end of their lives and explode, but every time Shesha warped to a different universe and a different dimension, there were weak gravitational waves released possible to detect.<br>Shioda: Since Stephen is also the creator of the terminals and the Demon Summoning Program, related to the Yamato Perpetual Reactor, it’s easy to say he is the biggest mystery of the Megaten series.<br>Yamai: What is clear is that Stephen is the same person across the series. Shin Megami Tensei and Shin Megami Tensei II are related, while Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne and Shin Megami Tensei IV are each in their own universes, but we can argue that he is the only one to cross space and time and visit each universe. I think the beginning was the universe created in Shin Megami Tensei, but we have no intention to give a clear answer on such a personal matter. As for the details of his arrival in the Shin Megami Tensei IV world, when he was researching the Demon Summoning Program and the Matter Transfer System he got connected by coincidence to the Expanse, demons showed up and hurt him badly, which led to him being now dependent on a wheelchair.<br>Shioda: This time he talks about the aim of the Great Reason in the end. Do you think he has met the Great Reason?<br>*From Dijeh (Basically just a translators note): The term used here is NOT the Great Will. The Japanese for Great Will [of the Universe] is either “宇宙の大いなる意志” or just “大いなる意志” in previous games in the series, while in SMT4F and this interview, the term is 大いなる理; the kanji used are easily distinguishable: 意志 vs. 理. For more about the distinction, see Will and Li.<br>Yamai: From the perspective of Shin Megami Tensei, the Stephen of Shin Megami Tensei IV is one of the possibilities, but we can say it was possible for him to have met the Great Reason. Of course, from the perspective of Shin Megami Tensei IV’s Stephen, I think we can say Shin Megami Tensei is also a possibility.<br>Miyata: Stephen’s position allows him to catch a glimpse of a small part of the Great Reason’s movement. When he passed through time and space and made contact with the Great Reason, he interpreted things in his own way.</ref> [[The Axiom]] [https://eirikrjs.blogspot.com/2016/08/apocalypse-artbook.html through transcending the infinite Cycle of Transmigration]<ref>Yamai: When you reach the battle with VISHNUFLYNN, there is a reference point of the soul, where it either enters or departs from the circle of transmigration. Nanashi is in the middle of that circle, he is a human just like us. That is the reference. Beings like Stephen, Mido, or the Count of Saint Germain left the circle of transmigration, and I think that is why they could get in contact with the Great Reason.<br>Shioda: In Buddhism, leaving the circle of transmigration equals reaching Nirvana and becoming a buddha.<br>Yamai: That’s right. This time, in order for the Divine Powers to succeed, various currents of thought from all kinds of countries and religions come into play. The Buddhist view on reincarnation is one of them and our setting is not biased towards it, but the soul itself is something important for the gods. Shin Megami Tensei IV adopts a quantum theory approach according to which gods exist thanks to human perception, and religious beliefs are one part of that.</ref>, which would make him comparable to Matter Lucifer [https://imgur.com/a/RaKpWpT who transcended into a higher plane of existence beyond even] [[YHVH]]). '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] |
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| '''[[Lifting Strength]]:''' '''Cosmic''' (Became a full on demon of at least the powerful variety who can sustain a colloidal conglomeration of countless mini-universes, each centered around a powerful demon that is sustained by said demon and destroyed upon their death.<ref>[http://menasepublications.blogspot.com/2010/12/return-chapter-1.html Digital Devil Story 2: Warrior of the Demon City] Chapter 4 "Quickening" "I don't think so. From what I've just seen, there's no mistake that a magnetic field suitable for summoning a demon was set up. It may be that the reason no demon appeared was that it might have arrived in the Assiah world via a different magnetic field."<br>"There’re still some details about the mechanism for demon summoning that I don't really understand yet."<br>"Unusual words, coming from the genius that was the first to successfully summon a demon via a computer." Feed grinned broadly, but his expression soon turned grave as he looked directly at Nakajima.<br>"The last demon to appear called himself Set, correct?"<br>"Yes, that's right."<br>"While it's too dangerous to try and conjecture the state of affairs in the demon world based on our own knowledge of this one, my theory is that the demon world is like a colloidal conglomeration of countless mini-universes, each centered around a powerful demon. Most likely, with Loki's death, the mini-universe in contact with Japan or Tokyo vanished, and Set's mini-universe entered to take its place. Demon summoning is just opening a contact point between the two worlds at the same time."<br>"So what would happen if two contact points were opened at the same time?"<br>"The demon would decide where it wanted to appear. However, there are some examples in medieval records of demon summonings that report that when the difference in strength of the two magnetic fields was great enough, the demon would be pulled to the stronger field, regardless of which it wanted to go to..."</ref>) | | '''[[Lifting Strength]]:''' '''Cosmic''' (Became a full on demon of at least the powerful variety who can sustain a colloidal conglomeration of countless mini-universes, each centered around a powerful demon that is sustained by said demon and destroyed upon their death.<ref>[http://menasepublications.blogspot.com/2010/12/return-chapter-1.html Digital Devil Story 2: Warrior of the Demon City] Chapter 4 "Quickening" "I don't think so. From what I've just seen, there's no mistake that a magnetic field suitable for summoning a demon was set up. It may be that the reason no demon appeared was that it might have arrived in the Assiah world via a different magnetic field."<br>"There’re still some details about the mechanism for demon summoning that I don't really understand yet."<br>"Unusual words, coming from the genius that was the first to successfully summon a demon via a computer." Feed grinned broadly, but his expression soon turned grave as he looked directly at Nakajima.<br>"The last demon to appear called himself Set, correct?"<br>"Yes, that's right."<br>"While it's too dangerous to try and conjecture the state of affairs in the demon world based on our own knowledge of this one, my theory is that the demon world is like a colloidal conglomeration of countless mini-universes, each centered around a powerful demon. Most likely, with Loki's death, the mini-universe in contact with Japan or Tokyo vanished, and Set's mini-universe entered to take its place. Demon summoning is just opening a contact point between the two worlds at the same time."<br>"So what would happen if two contact points were opened at the same time?"<br>"The demon would decide where it wanted to appear. However, there are some examples in medieval records of demon summonings that report that when the difference in strength of the two magnetic fields was great enough, the demon would be pulled to the stronger field, regardless of which it wanted to go to..."</ref>) |
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[https://eirikrjs.blogspot.com/2016/08/apocalypse-artbook.html He is viewed as an omnipotent existence that created everything]<ref>Profile: The actual One God of monotheism. The One God praised by Judaism, Christianity and Islam. He is the omnipotent existence that created heaven and earth and made man in his own image, but this also means that together with the angels, his bunrei [subparts], he also gave birth to demons. By giving humans bodies of flesh and bone, their lives and fears were repeated in the endless cycle of death and rebirth, restricting their range of observation.</ref> [https://youtu.be/sBJn2IrfER4?t=171 A single manifestation head is so far beyond all of creation that not even his creations blades can harm him]<ref>The reason YHVH is harmed during this fight is due to humanity's [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|observation]] weakening him, as there's no reason for YHVH to be lying</ref>. [https://youtu.be/ijJFkJ6l058?t=85 YHVH is a being who created] [http://shmuplations.com/smt/ infinite universes], [https://youtu.be/ijJFkJ6l058?t=70 and exists beyond the very boundaries of time within the multiverse]. [https://imgur.com/hBzsNkT The multiverse is] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl2ZXAZeN3Q&t=19s&ab_channel=davidramons composed of] [https://youtu.be/XvzWQt8jmTA?t=22 information and] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP8oNYHRuJw&t=9995s&ab_channel=BuffMaister data], [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=1477 further proven with] [[Stephen (Shin Megami Tensei)|Stephen]] having attacks that can code beings that the world, this would make SMT a mathematical multiverse falling under the [[Multiverse#Max_Tegmark's_Multiverse|level 4 multiverse]], [https://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/crazy.html a multiverse where every possible mathematical structure and be described at some level], [https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/set-theory/ which would include any possible level of reality that can be conceived of using set theory]. Which would include planes such as Akarana Corridor [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=957 a void that transcends time and space], [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=886 with it requiring a special ritual to enter], where even the Herald of Yatagarasu cannot put Raidou into this place<ref>The Herald of Yatagarsu is [https://youtu.be/SJhzC5B5HGA?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=727 capable of teleporting Raidou into] The Expanse, [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 a place that transcends the past, present, and future] [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=98 of the multiverse] but cannot even reach this realm, along with this she [https://imgur.com/a/PxAg9xW exists a plane not apart of the human world], further showing how out of reach this plane is, [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=1043 it requires one normally to discard their human form and transcribe themselves otherwise they are threatened with being unstuck from time]</ref>, putting it beyond even The Expanse [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 a place that transcends the past, present, and future] [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=98 of the multiverse]. The true form views [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=246 the multiverse and his manifestation head are infinitesimal in size compared to him], and he exists as [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=165 an incomprehensible] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=450 transcendent being overseeing everything in his creation]. [https://youtu.be/L23HK4gdQY0?t=516 His universe is a place beyond reality that is more vague and more infinite then anything the cast has seen before] [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 which includes areas such as the expanse] and Akrana Corridor, and his single manifestation head. Along with this, [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=1862 humans observation has the potential to exceed] [[The Axiom]], [https://eirikrjs.blogspot.com/2016/08/apocalypse-artbook.html who exists in a realm beyond every other realm prior]<Ref>Shioda: Is it correct to think that humanity was created by the Great Reason rather than by the gods?<br>Yamai: In the beginning, I believe, pure humans were made as observers of the universe. Then, as time passed, gods and polytheism appeared as the result of their perception of the surrounding world.<br>Miyata: Nozomi says at some point that it’s all right for people to be unsure, but in the underground it is believed that the gods are one of the answers hypothesised by humans. From her point of view, the gods are a symbol of the ideal imagined by humans and the perfect form envisioned by them as their target, their final point. Monotheism, on the other hand, only has one final target, but there are many ideals to pursue. This is tied to Nozomi’s lines above. It’s all right if there are bad guys and if there are good people, there will also be fickle ones. Nozomi’s credo is that everyone should choose their own destination.<br>Yamai: Even when talking about the creation of the universe, I think the birth of the Great Reason is beyond our ideals. The universe we can observe stretches over 130 billion light years, but we don’t know how it managed to appear from nothing. Gods like Izanagi, who birthed out of his eyes and nose, were perhaps a symbol of a farming culture, but they had a power that surpassed the humans’ power of understanding and I dare say that in the case of the Great Reason too, if emotions were to arise, those emotions themselves would become gods. I’m talking about that kind of creation. For example, the wish to be worshipped gave birth to [[YHVH]], or seeing the fights between humans signified the appearance of Lucifer. I think this is similar to the trends and movements born out of people’s shared consciousness nowadays. Let’s look at Japan’s concept of cuteness: if it spread throughout the whole world, maybe it would lead to the birth of a new god. I had this vague thought that the backbone of the Great Reason would begin like a pure baby who would pick up various emotions through touch, gradually learning about its surroundings.<br>Shioda: So it’s something along the lines of a god born out of the collective unconscious which came from shared awareness?<br>Yamai: That’s right, don’t you all just love it? (laughs)<br>Miyata: I certainly think there is some sort of huge collective unconscious, but I never really thought it might be connected to the Great Reason. And speaking of shared awareness, the scale would be quite small depending on the surroundings; the Japanese would have their shared awareness, but it would be different from that of foreigners. For example, even if the Japanese saw themselves as without religion, they’d look Buddhist to foreigners. This kind of thing leads me to think that the Great Reason is not at the surface of shared awareness, but belongs instead to an extremely deep part of the origin.<br>Shioda: I personally think that the term ‘bunrei’ [spirit divisions] often used to name gods in the story is extremely important in this game. The Great Reason is the origin. Does that make [[YHVH]] and all the other gods ‘bunrei’?<br>Yamai: Yes, it does. I think we can explain the existence of ‘bunrei’ through polytheism resulted from human perception. In the Celtic world, the druids saw Dagda as the forefather of sorcerers, but this was different for the Norse people or the Germanic culture. The people of each civilisation would see things as it fit them, so we got Odin instead. ‘Bunrei’ are born like this, but then again, treating Dagda and Odin as identical is wrong. Their powers and responsibilities are different, so it’s better for them to be thought of as different entities. Let’s have a look at [[YHVH]]: when he was born, humans perhaps observed [[YHVH]] himself, but once the scriptures were written, Uriel would be the one to be noticed and maybe that’s why he made so many appearances in their pages. Uriel frequently appearing as [[YHVH]]’s messenger also kind of feels like an accessory that comes to the front in order to preserve [[YHVH]]’s solemnity. But that is the result of the perception of later people, so we can also say that Uriel is a part [bunrei] of [[YHVH]].</ref>) | | '''[[Range]]:''' '''Standard Melee Range''' (Does not have any melee weapons of some kind and solely relies on slide punching to deal damage physically), '''Kilometers''' with various spells (Can summon tornadoes and use spells similarly to ones such as Agi and Bufu), '''Complex Multiversal''' to At least '''Mathematical Multiversal''' through Demon Summoning and [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] (Able to summon demons from the Expanse, a metaphysical realm that transcends time and can be used to travel throughout the multiverse. [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=490 Can affect beings such as] [[YHVH]] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=526 through their observation]. [[YHVH]] [https://imgur.com/a/eNIH9qI is the progenitor of all gods and all religions from all around the world, existing as the one true original god]. [https://imgur.com/a/AQppUyn Turned all other gods in the pantheon into demons]. [https://eirikrjs.blogspot.com/2016/08/apocalypse-artbook.html He is viewed as an omnipotent existence that created everything]<ref>Profile: The actual One God of monotheism. The One God praised by Judaism, Christianity and Islam. He is the omnipotent existence that created heaven and earth and made man in his own image, but this also means that together with the angels, his bunrei [subparts], he also gave birth to demons. By giving humans bodies of flesh and bone, their lives and fears were repeated in the endless cycle of death and rebirth, restricting their range of observation.</ref> [https://youtu.be/sBJn2IrfER4?t=171 A single manifestation head is so far beyond all of creation that not even his creations blades can harm him]<ref>The reason YHVH is harmed during this fight is due to humanity's [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|observation]] weakening him, as there's no reason for YHVH to be lying</ref>. [https://youtu.be/ijJFkJ6l058?t=85 YHVH is a being who created] [http://shmuplations.com/smt/ infinite universes], [https://youtu.be/ijJFkJ6l058?t=70 and exists beyond the very boundaries of time within the multiverse]. [https://imgur.com/hBzsNkT The multiverse is] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl2ZXAZeN3Q&t=19s&ab_channel=davidramons composed of] [https://youtu.be/XvzWQt8jmTA?t=22 information and] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP8oNYHRuJw&t=9995s&ab_channel=BuffMaister data], [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=1477 further proven with] [[Stephen (Shin Megami Tensei)|Stephen]] having attacks that can code beings that the world, this would make SMT a mathematical multiverse falling under the [[Multiverse#Max_Tegmark's_Multiverse|level 4 multiverse]], [https://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/crazy.html a multiverse where every possible mathematical structure and be described at some level], [https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/set-theory/ which would include any possible level of reality that can be conceived of using set theory]. Which would include planes such as Akarana Corridor [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=957 a void that transcends time and space], [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=886 with it requiring a special ritual to enter], where even the Herald of Yatagarasu cannot put Raidou into this place<ref>The Herald of Yatagarsu is [https://youtu.be/SJhzC5B5HGA?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=727 capable of teleporting Raidou into] The Expanse, [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 a place that transcends the past, present, and future] [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=98 of the multiverse] but cannot even reach this realm, along with this she [https://imgur.com/a/PxAg9xW exists a plane not apart of the human world], further showing how out of reach this plane is, [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=1043 it requires one normally to discard their human form and transcribe themselves otherwise they are threatened with being unstuck from time]</ref>, putting it beyond even The Expanse [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 a place that transcends the past, present, and future] [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=98 of the multiverse]. The true form views [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=246 the multiverse and his manifestation head are infinitesimal in size compared to him], and he exists as [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=165 an incomprehensible] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=450 transcendent being overseeing everything in his creation]. [https://youtu.be/L23HK4gdQY0?t=516 His universe is a place beyond reality that is more vague and more infinite then anything the cast has seen before] [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 which includes areas such as the expanse] and Akrana Corridor, and his single manifestation head. Along with this, [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=1862 humans observation has the potential to exceed] [[The Axiom]], [https://eirikrjs.blogspot.com/2016/08/apocalypse-artbook.html who exists in a realm beyond every other realm prior]<Ref>Shioda: Is it correct to think that humanity was created by the Great Reason rather than by the gods?<br>Yamai: In the beginning, I believe, pure humans were made as observers of the universe. Then, as time passed, gods and polytheism appeared as the result of their perception of the surrounding world.<br>Miyata: Nozomi says at some point that it’s all right for people to be unsure, but in the underground it is believed that the gods are one of the answers hypothesised by humans. From her point of view, the gods are a symbol of the ideal imagined by humans and the perfect form envisioned by them as their target, their final point. Monotheism, on the other hand, only has one final target, but there are many ideals to pursue. This is tied to Nozomi’s lines above. It’s all right if there are bad guys and if there are good people, there will also be fickle ones. Nozomi’s credo is that everyone should choose their own destination.<br>Yamai: Even when talking about the creation of the universe, I think the birth of the Great Reason is beyond our ideals. The universe we can observe stretches over 130 billion light years, but we don’t know how it managed to appear from nothing. Gods like Izanagi, who birthed out of his eyes and nose, were perhaps a symbol of a farming culture, but they had a power that surpassed the humans’ power of understanding and I dare say that in the case of the Great Reason too, if emotions were to arise, those emotions themselves would become gods. I’m talking about that kind of creation. For example, the wish to be worshipped gave birth to [[YHVH]], or seeing the fights between humans signified the appearance of Lucifer. I think this is similar to the trends and movements born out of people’s shared consciousness nowadays. Let’s look at Japan’s concept of cuteness: if it spread throughout the whole world, maybe it would lead to the birth of a new god. I had this vague thought that the backbone of the Great Reason would begin like a pure baby who would pick up various emotions through touch, gradually learning about its surroundings.<br>Shioda: So it’s something along the lines of a god born out of the collective unconscious which came from shared awareness?<br>Yamai: That’s right, don’t you all just love it? (laughs)<br>Miyata: I certainly think there is some sort of huge collective unconscious, but I never really thought it might be connected to the Great Reason. And speaking of shared awareness, the scale would be quite small depending on the surroundings; the Japanese would have their shared awareness, but it would be different from that of foreigners. For example, even if the Japanese saw themselves as without religion, they’d look Buddhist to foreigners. This kind of thing leads me to think that the Great Reason is not at the surface of shared awareness, but belongs instead to an extremely deep part of the origin.<br>Shioda: I personally think that the term ‘bunrei’ [spirit divisions] often used to name gods in the story is extremely important in this game. The Great Reason is the origin. Does that make [[YHVH]] and all the other gods ‘bunrei’?<br>Yamai: Yes, it does. I think we can explain the existence of ‘bunrei’ through polytheism resulted from human perception. In the Celtic world, the druids saw Dagda as the forefather of sorcerers, but this was different for the Norse people or the Germanic culture. The people of each civilisation would see things as it fit them, so we got Odin instead. ‘Bunrei’ are born like this, but then again, treating Dagda and Odin as identical is wrong. Their powers and responsibilities are different, so it’s better for them to be thought of as different entities. Let’s have a look at [[YHVH]]: when he was born, humans perhaps observed [[YHVH]] himself, but once the scriptures were written, Uriel would be the one to be noticed and maybe that’s why he made so many appearances in their pages. Uriel frequently appearing as [[YHVH]]’s messenger also kind of feels like an accessory that comes to the front in order to preserve [[YHVH]]’s solemnity. But that is the result of the perception of later people, so we can also say that Uriel is a part [bunrei] of [[YHVH]].</ref>) |
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| '''[[Intelligence]]:''' '''Extraordinary Genius''' (Despite his naive demeanor, he is no slouch in intelligence [https://youtu.be/xAfj8dcbEYU?t=3116 as Lucifer specifically chose him because of his potential to grow] [https://youtu.be/B3_OsqKXf1k?t=459 and dethrone The Great Will while leading entire races of Demons to a new future.] The Demi-fiend is someone of great navigational skills; being able to traverse through otherworldly locations such as the Amala Network, which is filled with loopholes and mazes that disorients any normal people. Along with that, he has no problem traveling through the Vortex World, which was formally Tokyo now fused with the Expanse and filled with Demons. His puzzle solving skills are considerably superb as well, [https://youtu.be/tEmsZPDJsdc as he was able to succeed through a long, frustrating, and possibly the most difficult puzzle in the game]; moreover, he is able to [https://youtu.be/PZ7fT0Xtb_4?t=162 keep a casual Raidou Kuzunoha the XIV at bay by setting up traps for him and outmaneuvering him in the process]. Raidou is a trained and skilled detective with expertise in firearms and swordplay. Fought against Raidou twice, the latter of which's partner, Goutou, [https://youtu.be/eT69uzcI98Y?t=1032 was so impressed by his strength that he considered him worthy enough to join the Kuzunoha clan]. Can negotiate with demons and get them to join his cause and can defeat demons/gods of myth who hold millennia of experience in combat. Defeated [[Kagutsuchi (Shin Megami Tensei)|Kagutsuchi]], and guided the entire Demon race in a war against the [[YHVH|Great Will]]) | | '''[[Intelligence]]:''' '''Extraordinary Genius''' (Despite his naive demeanor, he is no slouch in intelligence [https://youtu.be/xAfj8dcbEYU?t=3116 as Lucifer specifically chose him because of his potential to grow] [https://youtu.be/B3_OsqKXf1k?t=459 and dethrone The Great Will while leading entire races of Demons to a new future.] The Demi-fiend is someone of great navigational skills; being able to traverse through otherworldly locations such as the Amala Network, which is filled with loopholes and mazes that disorients any normal people. Along with that, he has no problem traveling through the Vortex World, which was formally Tokyo now fused with the Expanse and filled with Demons. His puzzle solving skills are considerably superb as well, [https://youtu.be/tEmsZPDJsdc as he was able to succeed through a long, frustrating, and possibly the most difficult puzzle in the game]; moreover, he is able to [https://youtu.be/PZ7fT0Xtb_4?t=162 keep a casual Raidou Kuzunoha the XIV at bay by setting up traps for him and outmaneuvering him in the process]. Raidou is a trained and skilled detective with expertise in firearms and swordplay. Fought against Raidou twice, the latter of which's partner, Goutou, [https://youtu.be/eT69uzcI98Y?t=1032 was so impressed by his strength that he considered him worthy enough to join the Kuzunoha clan]. Can negotiate with demons and get them to join his cause and can defeat demons/gods of myth who hold millennia of experience in combat. Defeated [[Kagutsuchi (Shin Megami Tensei)|Kagutsuchi]], and guided the entire Demon race in a war against the [[YHVH|Great Will]]) |
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| '''[[Attack Potency]]:''' '''Meta Hierarchal Multiverse level''' (Retains his "True Demon" status and [https://youtu.be/sBIKkfVaA9I?t=88 could fight against] [[The Protagonist (Shin Megami Tensei V)|an end-game Nahobino]], [https://youtu.be/IH54ImVLR3Y?list=PLDwjEcGRHRZ5vRYoiqkdBUHwkpUROkfXb&t=2229 who was stated to have power that rivals the throne itself] [https://youtu.be/nhsOQTvvVv0?t=1013 and was noted as being a challenge to] [[YHVH|God]]'s reign on the throne, [https://youtu.be/nhsOQTvvVv0?t=1654 being a power that god himself feared]. Where for the true form [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=246 the multiverse and his manifestation head are infinitesimal in size compared to him], and he exists as [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=165 an incomprehensible] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=450 transcendent being overseeing everything in his creation]. [https://youtu.be/L23HK4gdQY0?t=516 His universe is a place beyond reality that is more vague and more infinite then anything the cast has seen before] [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 which includes areas such as the expanse] and Akrana Corridor, and his single manifestation head. Viewed as so immeasurably powerful that the combined cast of SMT IV Apocalypse, [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=526 needed to] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=637 deny his divine nature] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=676 and form understandings] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=853 repeatedly] through the use of [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|obseravtion]] in order to defeat him. Previously, the Nahobino had [https://youtu.be/XYRoqwrU6Sg?t=1015 defeated Shiva] [https://youtu.be/XYRoqwrU6Sg?t=18 who had collected an enormous amount of Magatsuhi that he had the power to destroy everything, even knowing that Nahobino would take up the throne]. [https://youtu.be/pGfkMbAibZ0?t=10 Can dish out a signficant amount of damage to Nahobino], [https://youtu.be/sBIKkfVaA9I?t=2704 but ultimately lost fair and square]), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | | '''[[Attack Potency]]:''' '''Mathematical Multiverse level''' (Retains his "True Demon" status and [https://youtu.be/sBIKkfVaA9I?t=88 could fight against] [[The Protagonist (Shin Megami Tensei V)|an end-game Nahobino]], [https://youtu.be/IH54ImVLR3Y?list=PLDwjEcGRHRZ5vRYoiqkdBUHwkpUROkfXb&t=2229 who was stated to have power that rivals the throne itself] [https://youtu.be/nhsOQTvvVv0?t=1013 and was noted as being a challenge to] [[YHVH|God]]'s reign on the throne, [https://youtu.be/nhsOQTvvVv0?t=1654 being a power that god himself feared]. Where for the true form [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=246 the multiverse and his manifestation head are infinitesimal in size compared to him], and he exists as [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=165 an incomprehensible] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=450 transcendent being overseeing everything in his creation]. [https://youtu.be/L23HK4gdQY0?t=516 His universe is a place beyond reality that is more vague and more infinite then anything the cast has seen before] [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 which includes areas such as the expanse] and Akrana Corridor, and his single manifestation head. Viewed as so immeasurably powerful that the combined cast of SMT IV Apocalypse, [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=526 needed to] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=637 deny his divine nature] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=676 and form understandings] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=853 repeatedly] through the use of [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|obseravtion]] in order to defeat him. Previously, the Nahobino had [https://youtu.be/XYRoqwrU6Sg?t=1015 defeated Shiva] [https://youtu.be/XYRoqwrU6Sg?t=18 who had collected an enormous amount of Magatsuhi that he had the power to destroy everything, even knowing that Nahobino would take up the throne]. [https://youtu.be/pGfkMbAibZ0?t=10 Can dish out a signficant amount of damage to Nahobino], [https://youtu.be/sBIKkfVaA9I?t=2704 but ultimately lost fair and square]), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] |
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| '''[[Durability]]:''' '''Meta Hierarchal Multiverse level''' (Can endure several hits from the Nahobino), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | | '''[[Durability]]:''' '''Mathematical Multiverse level''' (Can endure several hits from the Nahobino), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] |
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| '''[[Striking Strength]]:''' '''Meta Hierarchal Multiverse level''' (Can slide-punch Nahobino), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] | | '''[[Striking Strength]]:''' '''Mathematical Multiverse level''' (Can slide-punch Nahobino), '''Far Higher''' with [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|Observation]] & [[Willpower (Megami Tensei)|Willpower]] |
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| '''[[Stamina]]:''' '''Limitless''' (Due to his innate physiology, demons naturally do not need to breathe, eat, or sleep. [https://youtu.be/l4vtvHB2CiM?t=56 Demons such as King Frost can passively produce magic for years upon years] [https://youtu.be/WSOD6232l_Y?t=78 even while fighting enemies] without tiring) | | '''[[Stamina]]:''' '''Limitless''' (Due to his innate physiology, demons naturally do not need to breathe, eat, or sleep. [https://youtu.be/l4vtvHB2CiM?t=56 Demons such as King Frost can passively produce magic for years upon years] [https://youtu.be/WSOD6232l_Y?t=78 even while fighting enemies] without tiring) |
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| '''[[Range]]:''' '''Standard Melee Range''' (Does not have any melee weapons of some kind and solely relies on slide punching to deal damage physically), '''Kilometers''' with various spells (Can summon tornadoes and use spells similarly to ones such as Agi and Bufu), '''Simple Hierarchal Multiversal''' to At least '''Meta Hierarchal Multiversal''' through Demon Summoning and Observation (Able to summon demons from the Expanse, a metaphysical realm that transcends time and can be used to travel throughout the multiverse. [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=490 Can affect beings such as] [[YHVH]] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=526 through their observation]. [[YHVH]] [https://imgur.com/a/eNIH9qI is the progenitor of all gods and all religions from all around the world, existing as the one true original god]. [https://imgur.com/a/AQppUyn Turned all other gods in the pantheon into demons]. [https://eirikrjs.blogspot.com/2016/08/apocalypse-artbook.html He is viewed as an omnipotent existence that created everything]<ref>Profile: The actual One God of monotheism. The One God praised by Judaism, Christianity and Islam. He is the omnipotent existence that created heaven and earth and made man in his own image, but this also means that together with the angels, his bunrei [subparts], he also gave birth to demons. By giving humans bodies of flesh and bone, their lives and fears were repeated in the endless cycle of death and rebirth, restricting their range of observation.</ref> [https://youtu.be/sBJn2IrfER4?t=171 A single manifestation head is so far beyond all of creation that not even his creations blades can harm him]<ref>The reason YHVH is harmed during this fight is due to humanity's [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|observation]] weakening him, as there's no reason for YHVH to be lying</ref>. [https://youtu.be/ijJFkJ6l058?t=85 YHVH is a being who created] [http://shmuplations.com/smt/ infinite universes], [https://youtu.be/ijJFkJ6l058?t=70 and exists beyond the very boundaries of time within the multiverse]. [https://imgur.com/hBzsNkT The multiverse is] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl2ZXAZeN3Q&t=19s&ab_channel=davidramons composed of] [https://youtu.be/XvzWQt8jmTA?t=22 information and] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP8oNYHRuJw&t=9995s&ab_channel=BuffMaister data], [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=1477 further proven with] [[Stephen (Shin Megami Tensei)|Stephen]] having attacks that can code beings that the world, this would make SMT a mathematical multiverse falling under the [[Multiverse#Max_Tegmark's_Multiverse|level 4 multiverse]], [https://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/crazy.html a multiverse where every possible mathematical structure and be described at some level], [https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/set-theory/ which would include any possible level of reality that can be conceived of using set theory]. Which would include planes such as Akarana Corridor [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=957 a void that transcends time and space], [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=886 with it requiring a special ritual to enter], where even the Herald of Yatagarasu cannot put Raidou into this place<ref>The Herald of Yatagarsu is [https://youtu.be/SJhzC5B5HGA?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=727 capable of teleporting Raidou into] The Expanse, [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 a place that transcends the past, present, and future] [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=98 of the multiverse] but cannot even reach this realm, along with this she [https://imgur.com/a/PxAg9xW exists a plane not apart of the human world], further showing how out of reach this plane is, [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=1043 it requires one normally to discard their human form and transcribe themselves otherwise they are threatened with being unstuck from time]</ref>, putting it beyond even The Expanse [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 a place that transcends the past, present, and future] [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=98 of the multiverse]. The true form views [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=246 the multiverse and his manifestation head are infinitesimal in size compared to him], and he exists as [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=165 an incomprehensible] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=450 transcendent being overseeing everything in his creation]. [https://youtu.be/L23HK4gdQY0?t=516 His universe is a place beyond reality that is more vague and more infinite then anything the cast has seen before] [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 which includes areas such as the expanse] and Akrana Corridor, and his single manifestation head. Along with this, [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=1862 humans observation has the potential to exceed] [[The Axiom]], [https://eirikrjs.blogspot.com/2016/08/apocalypse-artbook.html who exists in a realm beyond every other realm prior]<Ref>Shioda: Is it correct to think that humanity was created by the Great Reason rather than by the gods?<br>Yamai: In the beginning, I believe, pure humans were made as observers of the universe. Then, as time passed, gods and polytheism appeared as the result of their perception of the surrounding world.<br>Miyata: Nozomi says at some point that it’s all right for people to be unsure, but in the underground it is believed that the gods are one of the answers hypothesised by humans. From her point of view, the gods are a symbol of the ideal imagined by humans and the perfect form envisioned by them as their target, their final point. Monotheism, on the other hand, only has one final target, but there are many ideals to pursue. This is tied to Nozomi’s lines above. It’s all right if there are bad guys and if there are good people, there will also be fickle ones. Nozomi’s credo is that everyone should choose their own destination.<br>Yamai: Even when talking about the creation of the universe, I think the birth of the Great Reason is beyond our ideals. The universe we can observe stretches over 130 billion light years, but we don’t know how it managed to appear from nothing. Gods like Izanagi, who birthed out of his eyes and nose, were perhaps a symbol of a farming culture, but they had a power that surpassed the humans’ power of understanding and I dare say that in the case of the Great Reason too, if emotions were to arise, those emotions themselves would become gods. I’m talking about that kind of creation. For example, the wish to be worshipped gave birth to [[YHVH]], or seeing the fights between humans signified the appearance of Lucifer. I think this is similar to the trends and movements born out of people’s shared consciousness nowadays. Let’s look at Japan’s concept of cuteness: if it spread throughout the whole world, maybe it would lead to the birth of a new god. I had this vague thought that the backbone of the Great Reason would begin like a pure baby who would pick up various emotions through touch, gradually learning about its surroundings.<br>Shioda: So it’s something along the lines of a god born out of the collective unconscious which came from shared awareness?<br>Yamai: That’s right, don’t you all just love it? (laughs)<br>Miyata: I certainly think there is some sort of huge collective unconscious, but I never really thought it might be connected to the Great Reason. And speaking of shared awareness, the scale would be quite small depending on the surroundings; the Japanese would have their shared awareness, but it would be different from that of foreigners. For example, even if the Japanese saw themselves as without religion, they’d look Buddhist to foreigners. This kind of thing leads me to think that the Great Reason is not at the surface of shared awareness, but belongs instead to an extremely deep part of the origin.<br>Shioda: I personally think that the term ‘bunrei’ [spirit divisions] often used to name gods in the story is extremely important in this game. The Great Reason is the origin. Does that make [[YHVH]] and all the other gods ‘bunrei’?<br>Yamai: Yes, it does. I think we can explain the existence of ‘bunrei’ through polytheism resulted from human perception. In the Celtic world, the druids saw Dagda as the forefather of sorcerers, but this was different for the Norse people or the Germanic culture. The people of each civilisation would see things as it fit them, so we got Odin instead. ‘Bunrei’ are born like this, but then again, treating Dagda and Odin as identical is wrong. Their powers and responsibilities are different, so it’s better for them to be thought of as different entities. Let’s have a look at [[YHVH]]: when he was born, humans perhaps observed [[YHVH]] himself, but once the scriptures were written, Uriel would be the one to be noticed and maybe that’s why he made so many appearances in their pages. Uriel frequently appearing as [[YHVH]]’s messenger also kind of feels like an accessory that comes to the front in order to preserve [[YHVH]]’s solemnity. But that is the result of the perception of later people, so we can also say that Uriel is a part [bunrei] of [[YHVH]].</ref>) | | '''[[Range]]:''' '''Standard Melee Range''' (Does not have any melee weapons of some kind and solely relies on slide punching to deal damage physically), '''Kilometers''' with various spells (Can summon tornadoes and use spells similarly to ones such as Agi and Bufu), '''Complex Multiversal''' to At least '''Mathematical Multiversal''' through Demon Summoning and Observation (Able to summon demons from the Expanse, a metaphysical realm that transcends time and can be used to travel throughout the multiverse. [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=490 Can affect beings such as] [[YHVH]] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=526 through their observation]. [[YHVH]] [https://imgur.com/a/eNIH9qI is the progenitor of all gods and all religions from all around the world, existing as the one true original god]. [https://imgur.com/a/AQppUyn Turned all other gods in the pantheon into demons]. [https://eirikrjs.blogspot.com/2016/08/apocalypse-artbook.html He is viewed as an omnipotent existence that created everything]<ref>Profile: The actual One God of monotheism. The One God praised by Judaism, Christianity and Islam. He is the omnipotent existence that created heaven and earth and made man in his own image, but this also means that together with the angels, his bunrei [subparts], he also gave birth to demons. By giving humans bodies of flesh and bone, their lives and fears were repeated in the endless cycle of death and rebirth, restricting their range of observation.</ref> [https://youtu.be/sBJn2IrfER4?t=171 A single manifestation head is so far beyond all of creation that not even his creations blades can harm him]<ref>The reason YHVH is harmed during this fight is due to humanity's [[Observation (Megami Tensei)|observation]] weakening him, as there's no reason for YHVH to be lying</ref>. [https://youtu.be/ijJFkJ6l058?t=85 YHVH is a being who created] [http://shmuplations.com/smt/ infinite universes], [https://youtu.be/ijJFkJ6l058?t=70 and exists beyond the very boundaries of time within the multiverse]. [https://imgur.com/hBzsNkT The multiverse is] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl2ZXAZeN3Q&t=19s&ab_channel=davidramons composed of] [https://youtu.be/XvzWQt8jmTA?t=22 information and] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP8oNYHRuJw&t=9995s&ab_channel=BuffMaister data], [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=1477 further proven with] [[Stephen (Shin Megami Tensei)|Stephen]] having attacks that can code beings that the world, this would make SMT a mathematical multiverse falling under the [[Multiverse#Max_Tegmark's_Multiverse|level 4 multiverse]], [https://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/crazy.html a multiverse where every possible mathematical structure and be described at some level], [https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/set-theory/ which would include any possible level of reality that can be conceived of using set theory]. Which would include planes such as Akarana Corridor [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=957 a void that transcends time and space], [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=886 with it requiring a special ritual to enter], where even the Herald of Yatagarasu cannot put Raidou into this place<ref>The Herald of Yatagarsu is [https://youtu.be/SJhzC5B5HGA?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=727 capable of teleporting Raidou into] The Expanse, [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 a place that transcends the past, present, and future] [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=98 of the multiverse] but cannot even reach this realm, along with this she [https://imgur.com/a/PxAg9xW exists a plane not apart of the human world], further showing how out of reach this plane is, [https://youtu.be/haOVB8wCagU?list=PLZ-IDxWdqee_02DqvdXSdY3BjrLzAaxAY&t=1043 it requires one normally to discard their human form and transcribe themselves otherwise they are threatened with being unstuck from time]</ref>, putting it beyond even The Expanse [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 a place that transcends the past, present, and future] [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=98 of the multiverse]. The true form views [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=246 the multiverse and his manifestation head are infinitesimal in size compared to him], and he exists as [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=165 an incomprehensible] [https://youtu.be/dFuKLmruIzQ?t=450 transcendent being overseeing everything in his creation]. [https://youtu.be/L23HK4gdQY0?t=516 His universe is a place beyond reality that is more vague and more infinite then anything the cast has seen before] [https://youtu.be/8kNv01GNrpE?t=104 which includes areas such as the expanse] and Akrana Corridor, and his single manifestation head. Along with this, [https://youtu.be/defQEm1-C3g?t=1862 humans observation has the potential to exceed] [[The Axiom]], [https://eirikrjs.blogspot.com/2016/08/apocalypse-artbook.html who exists in a realm beyond every other realm prior]<Ref>Shioda: Is it correct to think that humanity was created by the Great Reason rather than by the gods?<br>Yamai: In the beginning, I believe, pure humans were made as observers of the universe. Then, as time passed, gods and polytheism appeared as the result of their perception of the surrounding world.<br>Miyata: Nozomi says at some point that it’s all right for people to be unsure, but in the underground it is believed that the gods are one of the answers hypothesised by humans. From her point of view, the gods are a symbol of the ideal imagined by humans and the perfect form envisioned by them as their target, their final point. Monotheism, on the other hand, only has one final target, but there are many ideals to pursue. This is tied to Nozomi’s lines above. It’s all right if there are bad guys and if there are good people, there will also be fickle ones. Nozomi’s credo is that everyone should choose their own destination.<br>Yamai: Even when talking about the creation of the universe, I think the birth of the Great Reason is beyond our ideals. The universe we can observe stretches over 130 billion light years, but we don’t know how it managed to appear from nothing. Gods like Izanagi, who birthed out of his eyes and nose, were perhaps a symbol of a farming culture, but they had a power that surpassed the humans’ power of understanding and I dare say that in the case of the Great Reason too, if emotions were to arise, those emotions themselves would become gods. I’m talking about that kind of creation. For example, the wish to be worshipped gave birth to [[YHVH]], or seeing the fights between humans signified the appearance of Lucifer. I think this is similar to the trends and movements born out of people’s shared consciousness nowadays. Let’s look at Japan’s concept of cuteness: if it spread throughout the whole world, maybe it would lead to the birth of a new god. I had this vague thought that the backbone of the Great Reason would begin like a pure baby who would pick up various emotions through touch, gradually learning about its surroundings.<br>Shioda: So it’s something along the lines of a god born out of the collective unconscious which came from shared awareness?<br>Yamai: That’s right, don’t you all just love it? (laughs)<br>Miyata: I certainly think there is some sort of huge collective unconscious, but I never really thought it might be connected to the Great Reason. And speaking of shared awareness, the scale would be quite small depending on the surroundings; the Japanese would have their shared awareness, but it would be different from that of foreigners. For example, even if the Japanese saw themselves as without religion, they’d look Buddhist to foreigners. This kind of thing leads me to think that the Great Reason is not at the surface of shared awareness, but belongs instead to an extremely deep part of the origin.<br>Shioda: I personally think that the term ‘bunrei’ [spirit divisions] often used to name gods in the story is extremely important in this game. The Great Reason is the origin. Does that make [[YHVH]] and all the other gods ‘bunrei’?<br>Yamai: Yes, it does. I think we can explain the existence of ‘bunrei’ through polytheism resulted from human perception. In the Celtic world, the druids saw Dagda as the forefather of sorcerers, but this was different for the Norse people or the Germanic culture. The people of each civilisation would see things as it fit them, so we got Odin instead. ‘Bunrei’ are born like this, but then again, treating Dagda and Odin as identical is wrong. Their powers and responsibilities are different, so it’s better for them to be thought of as different entities. Let’s have a look at [[YHVH]]: when he was born, humans perhaps observed [[YHVH]] himself, but once the scriptures were written, Uriel would be the one to be noticed and maybe that’s why he made so many appearances in their pages. Uriel frequently appearing as [[YHVH]]’s messenger also kind of feels like an accessory that comes to the front in order to preserve [[YHVH]]’s solemnity. But that is the result of the perception of later people, so we can also say that Uriel is a part [bunrei] of [[YHVH]].</ref>) |
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| '''[[Intelligence]]:''' '''Extraordinary Genius''' (Despite his naive demeanor, he is no slouch in intelligence [https://youtu.be/xAfj8dcbEYU?t=3116 as Lucifer specifically chose him because of his potential to grow] [https://youtu.be/B3_OsqKXf1k?t=459 and dethrone The Great Will while leading entire races of Demons to a new future.] The Demi-fiend is someone of great navigational skills; being able to traverse through otherworldly locations such as the Amala Network, which is filled with loopholes and mazes that disorients any normal people. Along with that, he has no problem traveling through the Vortex World, which was formally Tokyo now fused with the Expanse and filled with Demons. His puzzle solving skills are considerably superb as well, [https://youtu.be/tEmsZPDJsdc as he was able to succeed through a long, frustrating, and possibly the most difficult puzzle in the game]; moreover, he is able to [https://youtu.be/PZ7fT0Xtb_4?t=162 keep a casual Raidou Kuzunoha the XIV at bay by setting up traps for him and outmaneuvering him in the process]. Raidou is a trained and skilled detective with expertise in firearms and swordplay. Fought against Raidou twice, the latter of which's partner, Goutou, [https://youtu.be/eT69uzcI98Y?t=1032 was so impressed by his strength that he considered him worthy enough to join the Kuzunoha clan]. Can negotiate with demons and get them to join his cause and can defeat demons/gods of myth who hold millennia of experience in combat. Defeated [[Kagutsuchi (Shin Megami Tensei)|Kagutsuchi]], and guided the entire Demon race in a war against the [[YHVH|Great Will]]). | | '''[[Intelligence]]:''' '''Extraordinary Genius''' (Despite his naive demeanor, he is no slouch in intelligence [https://youtu.be/xAfj8dcbEYU?t=3116 as Lucifer specifically chose him because of his potential to grow] [https://youtu.be/B3_OsqKXf1k?t=459 and dethrone The Great Will while leading entire races of Demons to a new future.] The Demi-fiend is someone of great navigational skills; being able to traverse through otherworldly locations such as the Amala Network, which is filled with loopholes and mazes that disorients any normal people. Along with that, he has no problem traveling through the Vortex World, which was formally Tokyo now fused with the Expanse and filled with Demons. His puzzle solving skills are considerably superb as well, [https://youtu.be/tEmsZPDJsdc as he was able to succeed through a long, frustrating, and possibly the most difficult puzzle in the game]; moreover, he is able to [https://youtu.be/PZ7fT0Xtb_4?t=162 keep a casual Raidou Kuzunoha the XIV at bay by setting up traps for him and outmaneuvering him in the process]. Raidou is a trained and skilled detective with expertise in firearms and swordplay. Fought against Raidou twice, the latter of which's partner, Goutou, [https://youtu.be/eT69uzcI98Y?t=1032 was so impressed by his strength that he considered him worthy enough to join the Kuzunoha clan]. Can negotiate with demons and get them to join his cause and can defeat demons/gods of myth who hold millennia of experience in combat. Defeated [[Kagutsuchi (Shin Megami Tensei)|Kagutsuchi]], and guided the entire Demon race in a war against the [[YHVH|Great Will]]). |